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re: Coaching Changes for Alabama(Analysts edition!!!)

Posted on 1/19/21 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 12:40 pm to
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And Saban obvious fought to keep Golding


I am sure Saban wants to keep Golding around, I mean it has been 3 years.

However, I do not think Pete was the front runner for any positions out there. He is not been in any discussion for a HC gig either... No raises offered.

Let me reiterate that I do not think Golding is a horrible coach. Guy obviously has some respect and Saban likes him.

However, I would not be too worried about finding a replacement for him.

As Saban said, he went in a different direction hiring Golding. He wanted a younger guy that would stick around longer.

The Texas thing was the wrong Pete... Kwiatkowski going to be DC there
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 12:43 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:05 pm to
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The Texas thing was the wrong Pete... Kwiatkowski going to be DC there

The Texas rumor this past weekend was the supposedly "wrong Pete" rumor. But Sark's original plan was Golding until Saban told Sark to back off unless he could find a better replacement (that was reported by a few different UT sources). Then Sark offered Lanning, who turned them down (that was reported by both Texas and UGA sources). The wrong Pete rumor that you are referring to is the rumor over the weekend that Sark went back to Golding with a big money deal. That was the rumor that people got their Pete's mixed up on.

But by every account/rumor that I have seen Golding was Sark's original target, then Lanning, and then Sark turned his attention to Kwiatkowski over the weekend after Lanning turned him down.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:19 pm to
3rd Down Conversion Defense since 2009




We were really good in 2015/2016, but other than that we haven't been elite at it in a long while
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:22 pm to
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We were really good in 2015/2016


Not so coincidentally, we were able to generate a ton of pressure without blitzing during both of these seasons.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:22 pm to
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Not so coincidentally, we were able to generate a ton of pressure without blitzing during both of these seasons.



Yup
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:27 pm to
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Not so coincidentally, we were able to generate a ton of pressure without blitzing during both of these seasons.


Recruiting misses hurt us a lot since then. Our DL was other worldly in 2015 and 2016 with guys like Jonathan Allen, Jarran Reed, Daron Payne, Dalvin Tomlinson, Da'Shawn Hand, and A'Shawn Robinson.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:35 pm to
So, Saban keeps Golding and hires Pruitt as an analyst (initially).



ETA: Then Pruitt's lawyer gets him a good buyout settlement from UT, clearing his name and the pathway for him to move to on-field staff.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 1:54 pm
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:38 pm to
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We were really good in 2015/2016, but other than that we haven't been elite at it in a long while

Fair enough. But according to that chart our 3rd down defense was better under Tosh/Golding in 2018 than under Pruitt in 2017, and I don't think anyone would say that the Tosh/Golding defense in 2018 was a better defense that Pruitt's 2017 defense.

I would like to see what those numbers looked like from say the 2nd half of the UGA game to the end of the regular season (I wonder how much the OM and UF games skewed those numbers), but I will definitely admit that those 2020 3rd down numbers don't look good at all. But with that said, I'm still of the opinion that Golding is improving at calling Saban's defense, and that there's a reason that Saban wants to hold on to him.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:40 pm to
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So, Saban keeps Golding and hires Pruitt as an analyst (initially).

Now that is a plan that I think we can all get behind.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:41 pm to
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Not so coincidentally, we were able to generate a ton of pressure without blitzing during both of these seasons.


This also seemingly started to happen later in this past season with Allen and Anderson coming on, plus Barmore.
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
3175 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:45 pm to
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Not so coincidentally, we were able to generate a ton of pressure without blitzing during both of these seasons.

This also seemingly started to happen later in this past season with Allen and Anderson coming on, plus Barmore.


Exactly.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:47 pm to
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This also seemingly started to happen later in this past season with Allen and Anderson coming on, plus Barmore.



And we still gave up 3rd down conversions

SECCG + Playoffs : 22/41 (53.7%)

Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 1:58 pm to
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SECCG + Playoffs : 22/41 (53.7%)

What was our 3rd down conversion rate in just the Playoffs? I'm just curious how much, if any, that SECCG skewed that number.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 1:59 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 2:01 pm to
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What was our 3rd down conversion rate in just the Playoffs? I'm just curious how much, if any, that SECCG skewed that number.



14/30 (46.7%)

So, not as bad, but not good.


However - one key thing is that we forced 16 3rd downs against Notre Dame and 14 3rd downs against Ohio State. So, sure, they converted at a good clip, but they were also in 3rd down A TON.


We forced 15.4 3rd downs per game - 16th in the country and 2nd in the SEC.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 2:03 pm
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
15112 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 2:05 pm to
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44419 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 2:10 pm to
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However - one key thing is that we forced 16 3rd downs against Notre Dame and 14 3rd downs against Ohio State. So, sure, they converted at a good clip, but they were also in 3rd down A TON.


We forced 15.4 3rd downs per game - 16th in the country and 2nd in the SEC.


Aside from the Florida game we mostly stopped giving up tons of chunk plays after the first half of the UGA game. We'd give up 3 in an entire game instead of on damn near every drive.
Posted by Sauron
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2015
996 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 2:12 pm to
It's not just the raw numbers on third down that are troublesome; it's the number of third-and-longs that teams seemed to be able to convert on us regularly.

It's more deflating to me as a fan to see a team in third and 10 (or 12, or 17) and have them convert, vs. if they convert on third and two.

Now, it may not matter in the grand scheme of things, but it's the one area it feels like we've failed more than others defensively. As has been said by many folks on this board several times over the past two years, I'd almost rather see an opponent facing third and three instead of third and 10. I have almost no confidence we'll get off the field in the latter scenario any more.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 2:14 pm to
If you divide # of 3rd downs by total plays faced you get a % of plays that were 3rd Down %

SEC
1. Alabama (22.00%)
2. Georgia (21.18%)
3. Tennessee (21.03%)
4. Texas A&M (20.74%)
5. Miss St (20.64%)
6. Auburn (20.53%)
7. Florida (19.83%)
8. Arkansas (19.77%)
9. Missouri (18.68%)
10. LSU (18.58%)
11. Kentucky (18.46%)
12. South Carolina (18.31%)
13. Ole Miss (17.35%)
14. Vanderbilt (16.25%)
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 2:20 pm
Posted by Carlton
Good Cop/Bad Cop
Member since Feb 2016
11749 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 2:22 pm to
I think 2020 was Bama's best red zone defense since 2013 or 2014.

I wonder how the team tackles for loss have tracked across the Saban era. Doesn't feel like we generate the negative plays at the rate we use to, however it is much more difficult with today's offenses unless you are stealing signs.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 2:24 pm
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