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Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:02 pm to PowHound
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:02 pm to PowHound
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We must be grading these TEs differently, because they have been well below average for a while.
Saban's offense was shite for TEs.
Hopefully DeBoer can utilize them a lot more.
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:29 pm to TideSaint
I am still bullish on Danny Lewis. He seems like a really good player. Dippre was not utilized enough last year. He can make plays.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:41 pm to bamatide07
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I am still bullish on Danny Lewis. He seems like a really good player. Dippre was not utilized enough last year. He can make plays.
Hate to be that guy but i think thats Milroe. The more he gets comfortable with throwing intermediate the TEs will get more touches.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:54 pm to Tide or Die87
OJ Howard was the first 5-star TE to come around since recruiting sites were a thing and we barely used him sans title games.
It was the offense.
It was the offense.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:20 am to TideSaint
One would think Rees would have utilized TEs more than he did, coming from ND.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 5:44 am to TideSaint
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OJ Howard was the first 5-star TE to come around since recruiting sites were a thing and we barely used him sans title games. It was the offense.
I don’t think the offense did him any favors, but based on his NFL career I’d say his lofty rankings had more to do with measurables than his actual ability.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 6:47 am to Kashmir
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One would think Rees would have utilized TEs more than he did, coming from ND.
The TEs (and WRs) were open all season. Milroe doesnt look for them or cant see them.
The Rees offense is hard to judge bc the level of execution by the QB was as bad as we have seen in a long time.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 8:28 am to SECFan413
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I don’t think the offense did him any favors, but based on his NFL career I’d say his lofty rankings had more to do with measurables than his actual ability.
OJ was a fantastic jumbo sized athlete, but not particularly good at anything at football. The potential was great, but it ended up running dry when it couldn't be applied.
He was a small private school guy iirc that usually was the biggest and fastest on the field.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 8:57 am to TideSaint
Bama still looking for kickers? One just across the state line….
Says his kicker rating is 4 1/2*. Never seen that.
C&P’d
“Giles County Bobcats Football will surely miss Chase Cardin. I posted about Chase being invited to Kohl’s Kicking, Punting, and Long Snapping Showcase, this past weekend in Texas lastnight. And, cut the picture a little short. Chase is ranked #93 in the country, yet finished in the top 10, in the competition Khols held. Top 3, to be more exact. He nailed a 58 yarder, and showed the scouts, and all those present, why we love him so much in Giles County. Also, why he earned the Nickname Chase “Leg of Gold” Cardin.
Chase makes excellent grades, and is a leader on and off the field. He showed up early for practice, and was basically, the Bobcats Kicking Coach.
Chase has broke many records, in his Tenure, as the Bobcats Kicker. All his kickoffs would sell through the back of the endzone, at will. Absolutely amazing young man, who I am very proud to have had the chance to know.
I had to say something else about Chase, before I posted my video. As I was doing my research for this next video, I ran across Chase’s other visit, to Kholes kicking camps. I already knew Chase is a D1 level kicker, but watching him in action again, it’s easy to say, we will see this young man kicking in Saturdays, and on Sundays, in the future.
Proud of this young man, and if you guys see him out in Public, make sure you show him that good Bobcat support, and congratulate him for his outstanding accomplishments. He most likely holds all of Giles County’s kicking records. Along with many more record breaking achievements. Bravo Chase! Yeah!”
Says his kicker rating is 4 1/2*. Never seen that.
C&P’d
“Giles County Bobcats Football will surely miss Chase Cardin. I posted about Chase being invited to Kohl’s Kicking, Punting, and Long Snapping Showcase, this past weekend in Texas lastnight. And, cut the picture a little short. Chase is ranked #93 in the country, yet finished in the top 10, in the competition Khols held. Top 3, to be more exact. He nailed a 58 yarder, and showed the scouts, and all those present, why we love him so much in Giles County. Also, why he earned the Nickname Chase “Leg of Gold” Cardin.
Chase makes excellent grades, and is a leader on and off the field. He showed up early for practice, and was basically, the Bobcats Kicking Coach.
Chase has broke many records, in his Tenure, as the Bobcats Kicker. All his kickoffs would sell through the back of the endzone, at will. Absolutely amazing young man, who I am very proud to have had the chance to know.
I had to say something else about Chase, before I posted my video. As I was doing my research for this next video, I ran across Chase’s other visit, to Kholes kicking camps. I already knew Chase is a D1 level kicker, but watching him in action again, it’s easy to say, we will see this young man kicking in Saturdays, and on Sundays, in the future.
Proud of this young man, and if you guys see him out in Public, make sure you show him that good Bobcat support, and congratulate him for his outstanding accomplishments. He most likely holds all of Giles County’s kicking records. Along with many more record breaking achievements. Bravo Chase! Yeah!”
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:50 am to JojoTide
Holy cow that "article" (or whatever it is) is horribly written.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:43 am to Sauron
I think it is a “fan”. It was a suggested post on FB. He sends kickoffs selling. Lol
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:55 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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The TEs (and WRs) were open all season. Milroe doesnt look for them or cant see them.
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the level of execution by the QB was as bad as we have seen in a long time.
he saw and found them 187 times last season
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:16 am to Funky Tide 8
What is the other half of that stat? How many times did he miss seeing them?
I have no idea, could be zero. But only looking at one specific number and thinking that proves he didn't miss them is weird. Especially when it comes to a QB that everyone agrees improved a great deal but needs to continue to improve.
Peyton Thorne found his guys 162 times in one less game, but I wouldn't want him as our QB and I think he played like crap. But if number of completions is an indication that the QB didn't miss seeming anyone, then Thorne'a 12.46 per game vs Milroe's 13.35 per game means that Thorne is almost equal to Jalen as a QB. Not sure I would buy that.
I have no idea, could be zero. But only looking at one specific number and thinking that proves he didn't miss them is weird. Especially when it comes to a QB that everyone agrees improved a great deal but needs to continue to improve.
Peyton Thorne found his guys 162 times in one less game, but I wouldn't want him as our QB and I think he played like crap. But if number of completions is an indication that the QB didn't miss seeming anyone, then Thorne'a 12.46 per game vs Milroe's 13.35 per game means that Thorne is almost equal to Jalen as a QB. Not sure I would buy that.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 11:17 am
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:22 am to Remiden
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But only looking at one specific number and thinking that proves he didn't miss them is weird.
Saying he never looked for them and never saw them is also weird.
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Peyton Thorne found his guys 162 times in one less game, but I wouldn't want him as our QB and I think he played like crap. But if number of completions is an indication that the QB didn't miss seeming anyone, then Thorne'a 12.46 per game vs Milroe's 13.35 per game means that Thorne is almost equal to Jalen as a QB.
what were the rest of Thorne's stats?
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:42 am to Funky Tide 8
You only posted one, so that was the one I went with. Are you saying 187 completions is the number we all should look for? I don't understand how it relates to not checking down.
I don't think there is any way to measure how many open WRs he missed. Every QB misses some. But I know that posting the number of completions doesn't show anything in relation to that. The question is whether he missed an unacceptable number. We all yelled at the TV this year when we saw him back pedal and take a 12 yard sack with an RB wide open or when he went for the deep ball with a double covered WR when he had a wide open TE for a 7 yard gain and a first down. So the frustration is there for everyone. I'm not agreeing with whoever you replied to. Just believe that saying he had 187 competions didn't mean that he doesn't need to get better at checking down and finding the open man. Maybe you think that is exactly what we needed and he didn't miss anyone. Maybe none of his WRs were open or they were only open 187 times. I just don't know of a stat that shows you how what the QB should have done vs what he did. Maybe SoG has an advanced model.
And I agree with you. If he never looked then he will never see. That is also weird.
I don't think there is any way to measure how many open WRs he missed. Every QB misses some. But I know that posting the number of completions doesn't show anything in relation to that. The question is whether he missed an unacceptable number. We all yelled at the TV this year when we saw him back pedal and take a 12 yard sack with an RB wide open or when he went for the deep ball with a double covered WR when he had a wide open TE for a 7 yard gain and a first down. So the frustration is there for everyone. I'm not agreeing with whoever you replied to. Just believe that saying he had 187 competions didn't mean that he doesn't need to get better at checking down and finding the open man. Maybe you think that is exactly what we needed and he didn't miss anyone. Maybe none of his WRs were open or they were only open 187 times. I just don't know of a stat that shows you how what the QB should have done vs what he did. Maybe SoG has an advanced model.
And I agree with you. If he never looked then he will never see. That is also weird.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 11:45 am
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:47 am to Remiden
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You only posted one, so that was the one I went with. Are you saying 187 completions is the number we all should look for? I don't understand how it relates to not checking down.
I don't think there is any way to measure how many open WRs he missed. Every QB misses some. But I know that posting the number of completions doesn't show anything in relation to that. The question is whether he missed an unacceptable number. We all yelled at the TV this year when we saw him back pedal and take a 12 yard sack with an RB wide open or when he went for the deep ball with a double covered WR when he had a wide open TE for a 7 yard gain and a first down. So the frustration is there for everyone. I'm not agreeing with whoever you replied to. Just believe that saying he had 187 competions didn't mean that he doesn't need to get better at checking down and finding the open man. Maybe you think that is exactly what we needed and he didn't miss anyone. Maybe none of his WRs were open or they were only open 187 times. I just don't know of a stat that shows you how what the QB should have done vs what he did. Maybe SoG has an advanced model.
I wasn't trying to argue anything other than the claim that Milroe "never looked for or saw our TEs and WRs" last season. He struggled with it obviously, but he also improved a lot at it, and got better. He looked for and found our wideouts plenty last year. He also didn't find them plenty. But to say he couldn't, or didn't is false.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:51 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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The Rees offense is hard to judge
Look at DeBoer offense film study posted on this board and others. Long, but new offense will have quick reads of maybe two players, not whole field scanning. Should help Milroe.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:53 am to Remiden
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Maybe SoG has an advanced model.
Nobody's model is going to tell if Milroe routinely missed open guys because he didn't see them or never looked their way. Only people who know that are Milroe, the other players, and the coaches.
You can look at all-22 film as long as you want but just because a guy is running open doesn't mean Milroe missed him. No analyst knows who the primary read was, what Milroe's progressions were supposed to be, or even if that receiver is running the assigned route.
A lot of the college play calls even eliminate half the field for the QB to simplify the amount of processing they have to do. So maybe Milroe missed a wide open guy because 1. That guy is his 4th read 2. That guy isn't running the route he was supposed to 3. The play is designed to go to the other side of the field.
There's just no way to know outside of the OC or someone saying what was supposed to happen on that particular play.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:58 am to RollTide33
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You can look at all-22 film as long as you want but just because a guy is running open doesn't mean Milroe missed him. No analyst knows who the primary read was, what Milroe's progressions were supposed to be, or even if that receiver is running the assigned route
I can't wait for the QBs to get a small "go pro' camera center helmet just for these shots. It will be commonplace sooner or later.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:07 pm to Che Boludo
Arena football had something like that a few years ago, and I know some college teams use it in practice.
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