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re: Cecil Hurt on what may be wrong with the defense this year
Posted on 10/7/18 at 1:02 pm to YStar
Posted on 10/7/18 at 1:02 pm to YStar
Perhaps it is more of an indication that are 2nd team (backups) can't compete well enough to give a break to the 1st teams defensive players. Tell me which players on the 2nd team defense that have come in and made some plays that caught your attention. Go ahead.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 1:10 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
When we look bad in the 1st qtr...it doesnt matter how our offense is playing and what TOP is when we are looking bad.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 1:14 pm to jatebe
My screwball, glue-sniffing crackpot theory that I totally don't belive:
Saban kinda tanked the defense during prep so Arkansas would put up some yards/points on them, just so he can try to keep this team grounded & focused.
Evidence: Bama's defense look like they prepped for an entirely different team. This wasn't just great players making great plays against us like Ole Miss a few years ago or DeShaun Watson...we were so badly out of position, I can't really recall the last time it was that egregious.
Saban kinda tanked the defense during prep so Arkansas would put up some yards/points on them, just so he can try to keep this team grounded & focused.
Evidence: Bama's defense look like they prepped for an entirely different team. This wasn't just great players making great plays against us like Ole Miss a few years ago or DeShaun Watson...we were so badly out of position, I can't really recall the last time it was that egregious.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 1:36 pm to The Quiet One
interesting theory. im not sure i believe it to be true but it is plausible.
speaking of offense though...anyone know why they decided to run the two qb play now when it wasnt even needed? why not save that for a moment when we desperately need to convert a 3rd down in a big game?
speaking of offense though...anyone know why they decided to run the two qb play now when it wasnt even needed? why not save that for a moment when we desperately need to convert a 3rd down in a big game?
Posted on 10/7/18 at 1:46 pm to ChoadieMcSmalls
Nick just making the opposing teams DC spend valuable practice preparing against Jalen stuff...perhaps
Posted on 10/7/18 at 1:46 pm to jatebe
You have to consider how Bama just blows away teams early in the game. The players just become uninterested.
It was 21-0 before Arkansas did anything thing on offense yesterday.
56-0 before ULL did anything last weekend.
It was 21-0 before Arkansas did anything thing on offense yesterday.
56-0 before ULL did anything last weekend.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 2:43 pm to ChoadieMcSmalls
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speaking of offense though...anyone know why they decided to run the two qb play now when it wasnt even needed? why not save that for a moment when we desperately need to convert a 3rd down in a big game?
Those aren't the only 2 plays in that Tua/Jalen lineup, but just the only 2 plays that the competition knows. Come a time when we need a big play, line them up in one of the same exact 2 formations, make it look the same as yesterday, but with a whole other play when the ball is snapped.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 2:46 pm to remaster916
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The players just become uninterested.
Ain't none of that. Young and inexperienced players just missed assignments and are getting burned once in a while. New coaches are still learning the system same as the new players. Nothing teaches us so well as when we fail at a task at which we are entirely capable. We just have to be patient, and in the meantime, hopefully the 2 linebackers will heal up to help by December.
This post was edited on 10/7/18 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 10/7/18 at 3:52 pm to MrBiriwa
Yea. I posted this Saturday and got flamed for it. Maybe they will listen now that Cecil said it.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 4:34 pm to DT55Forever1
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Yea. I posted this Saturday and got flamed for it. Maybe they will listen now that Cecil said it.
Cecil is well connected and often insightful, but he isn't exhibiting any critical thinking in this matter.
Teams have been able to move the ball from the very onset of the games - if there was any validity to his theory, the defensive performances would mirror those of 2016 & 2017 i.e. strong in the first part of the game, but gradually wearing down due to getting gassed.
It's not that complex - right now Alabama is very vulnerable to passes over the middle. That isn't due to being gassed, it is due to mental errors and inexperience by both the players and the coaches.
This post was edited on 10/7/18 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 10/7/18 at 4:48 pm to jatebe
I just don't buy that when we are having the same problems in the 1st quarter.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 4:48 pm to DT55Forever1
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Yea. I posted this Saturday and got flamed for it. Maybe they will listen now that Cecil said it.
You were wrong then, and Cecil is wrong now.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 5:30 pm to jatebe
Any determination on the defense has to be made in the context of
1) playing with 3-4 TD leads in the 2nd quarter.
2) the style of game you get with fast paced offenses
We're not going to be holding teams to < 10 ppg with the pace our offense is scoring. The other teams are getting a lot more possessions per game which affects the kind of #'s we'd expect. Hurt is also quite right to note we've lost a TON of talent over the last 3 seasons to the NFL and injury.
1) playing with 3-4 TD leads in the 2nd quarter.
2) the style of game you get with fast paced offenses
We're not going to be holding teams to < 10 ppg with the pace our offense is scoring. The other teams are getting a lot more possessions per game which affects the kind of #'s we'd expect. Hurt is also quite right to note we've lost a TON of talent over the last 3 seasons to the NFL and injury.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 5:48 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
So it was our second team that gave up 11-play and 7-play 75 yards drives for TDs in the first half?
Gotcha.
Gotcha.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 6:36 pm to MrBiriwa
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I was gonna post this same theory in a thread last week.
The offense is scoring so quickly that the defense that used to rely on the a ball controlling offense is just on the field a lot more than past years and opposing teams are thus getting more opportunities to get yards and plays.
If my math is right, thru the 1st 5 games compared to last years first 5 games, teams are getting about 12 more plays a game this year.
I said this the other day as none of our D's in the past had to be on the field as much and so quick due to the offense. We controlled the clock and our QBs managed the game. I doubt very seriously some of the big guys in the past would have done any better.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 6:40 pm to TideWarrior
Fans seem to forget this that we play so much faster this year on offense. The defense gets no break. The other thing it was mentioned during the game by the announcers that our players on D seem so much smaller compared to teams in the past. I doubt some of those early defenses Saban had could handle the pace of the game we are playing. Hell no other team we are playing against can so I can understand why ours is struggling.
Also C Morris is a great offensive mind and schemed exactly a great game offensively against us to put up points.
Also C Morris is a great offensive mind and schemed exactly a great game offensively against us to put up points.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 6:45 pm to TideWarrior
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I said this the other day as none of our D's in the past had to be on the field as much and so quick due to the offense. We controlled the clock and our QBs managed the game.
When is the last time our offense and QBs managed the game against a good team? It certainly hasn't been the last two years as the 2016/2017 offenses were nothing but feast or famine.
To disprove Cecil's assertion, teams have had success moving the ball from the onset of games. If the "offense is too quick to score" theory had any merit, the defense would start off strong and then wilt. The Clemson loss is a prime example of this.
Instead, we are seeing the defense being moved on throughout the game.
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Fans seem to forget this that we play so much faster this year on offense.
Is there evidence of this though? Alabama has been playing hurry up since Kiffin was the OC.
A 3-and-out may burn more game clock time than a 7 play scoring drive, but it's not going to give the defense more rest in actual time.
This post was edited on 10/7/18 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 10/7/18 at 7:38 pm to JeffAtlanta
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A 3-and-out may burn more game clock time than a 7 play scoring drive, but it's not going to give the defense more rest in actual time.
Do you really think a team scoring less then a minute, which I believe before this past game we had like 14 times, it not going to put the defense back on the field fast.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 7:51 pm to RollTide1987
It was 58-17 with around 12 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. We good. I don't know what everyone is worried about (that is, those who are actually worried).
Are we as good as 2011, 2015 or 2016? No, we aren't, but we don't have to be. This defense, coupled with this offense, is plenty good to win a championship.
No one likes it when we miss a run fit or blow a coverage in the secondary, but that's really what we are talking about (mostly). Mental errors can be fixed. We are young and have talent, but the mental part of the game is the last thing to come, and I think it will.
Frankly, I kind of like us giving up 14 in garbage time making the game look closer than it actually was. It only gives Saban something to ride their butts about. Works for me.
Roll Tide.
Are we as good as 2011, 2015 or 2016? No, we aren't, but we don't have to be. This defense, coupled with this offense, is plenty good to win a championship.
No one likes it when we miss a run fit or blow a coverage in the secondary, but that's really what we are talking about (mostly). Mental errors can be fixed. We are young and have talent, but the mental part of the game is the last thing to come, and I think it will.
Frankly, I kind of like us giving up 14 in garbage time making the game look closer than it actually was. It only gives Saban something to ride their butts about. Works for me.
Roll Tide.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 7:53 pm to JeffAtlanta
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Is there evidence of this though? Alabama has been playing hurry up since Kiffin was the OC.
The year we won the NC against Clemson we had a ToP of 34+ minutes a game. Currently we sit around 30 but the issue is not that as much as Saban and our DCs have been really good in the past making adjustments but I imagine it is hard to do when the D comes off the field, then the O scores in 30 seconds and the D goes right back on the field. Just saying
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