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re: Can we please have an honest conversation about Kane Wommack's defense?

Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by BCBAMA
Southeast Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
954 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:23 pm to
One of the concerns I have is the lack of depth on our DL. Our recruitment there has been very poor as of late. To echo others here on the board, the DL development has been very poor for a few years now. And I don’t see many game changers going into the portal. I also look to see Overton leave for the NFL, as he seems to be very well respected on many draft boards. On a more positive note, I believe our young secondary has shown improvement. And that includes Malachi Moore’s temperament. The kid got punched a couple times on the AU sideline and kept his cool.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
23794 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:27 pm to
Both our OL and DL has looked soft the last few years. Milroe has his issues but still pass protection and inability to provide running lanes has hugely impacted the offense. Defensively we have been gashed on the ground too often and can't get consistent pressure with our DL.
Posted by BamaDude06
GOATville20
Member since Jan 2007
3587 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:34 pm to
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The Oklahoma game they gave up yardage but only 13 points.


People are forgetting this. OU's second half points came after a interception returned to the 14 and a pick six. Defense then forced punts on OU's next two drives. They clearly adjusted in the second half and the offense (with some help from the wonderful Greg Sankey backed officiating crew) completely s**t the bed.

The Vandy game is the only real bad game. I think it's clear the coaches thought we would beat them on talent alone and they weren't prepared when they got punched in the mouth. Offense lost the Tennessee and Oklahoma games.
Posted by Cskelt20
Northport Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
652 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 3:30 pm to
I swear to god you are terrible. The defense had one bad game & you won’t let it go. The defense bailed us out many times and is the reason we had chances in a lot of games.


I don’t know if you noticed but every team has games where their defense falters.


Teams like Vandy are tough to defend & if you don’t believe me look at what GT did to Uga.. granted I know your dumb arse won’t.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
7667 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 3:50 pm to
Only 10 teams allow fewer points per game in all of football.

Idiots on this board want him fired because of yards.

This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 3:52 pm
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3669 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 4:27 pm to
No it’s because there are a bunch of Buddy Ryan wannabes here whose idea of defense is attack, attack, attack like Teddy Roosevelt charging up San Juan Hill.

That’s a caricature of course but one could get that idea from hanging out in one of our game threads.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
14253 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 4:32 pm to
What happened to Oatis? I know he went the portal but he went from big minutes to zero PT it seems. Could have used his big body on the DL
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 4:42 pm
Posted by Amarillo Tide
Amarillo, TX
Member since Aug 2023
957 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 4:52 pm to
IMO, it’s several things. First, it’s an entirely different system, so there’s always going to be some growing pains. By growing pains, I mean every player knowing what he’s doing out there and all the terminology. I also mean on the coaches part. Wommack has (I’m hoping) learned the hard way that what worked at South Alabama probably won’t work in the SEC. He will most likely adjust and adapt. If he doesn’t, he will most likely be out of a job next December.

Second, we simply don’t have any dominant defensive linemen. We have a few that are decent and try really hard (Overton, Latham and Keenan) but they’re not dominant. We also don’t have any great edge guys. Russaw MIGHT eventually develop into one but he’s been hurt most of the year.

Some of this can be rectified thru recruiting and/or the portal. We really, really need some of these young guys to develop and step up next Spring.

We also need to land Justus Terry. He would be dominant. Make him an offer he can’t refuse.

Word of caution regarding the portal. People tend to think getting a really good DL in the portal is easy and they’re plentiful. Good or really good defensive linemen in the portal are few and far between. Honestly, I bet there are or will be only 3-4 good or really good DLs in the portal.
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 4:54 pm
Posted by Pharmdbamafan
Member since Apr 2012
133 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 5:17 pm to
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Posted by Hawaiian Punch
Member since Jan 2018
696 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 5:53 pm to
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IMO, we need a new Dline coach. I respect the hell out of him. Played against him 3 times in high school, but our line has not been the same since he took over.

Unless you count Will Anderson as a DE, we haven't had an All-American DL since he got here. The recuiting & development just hasn't been there.


This. I don’t think our DL has played poorly, but they don’t shine. No one under Roach’s guidance has been a game wrecker. James Smith, Overton and Payne were all Five Star prospects in high school. They have had their moments but they do not consistently disrupt the opposing offense. I hope there is a meaningful evaluation of Roach and his role within the program after this season.

Saban kept him around for years and KDB retained him, so maybe I don’t know shite, but the results on the field from the DL unit have been very underwhelming relative to our DLs from 2009-2017.
Posted by Crimsonpirate23
Member since Jan 2024
140 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 6:04 pm to
Look at position groups that are weak performers - some having been so for several years.
Some position coaches are “great recruiters” but have coached certain players backwards. They may do fine with another group, but not their current assignment.
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
6036 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 6:37 pm to
quote:

I swear to god you are terrible. The defense had one bad game & you won’t let it go. The defense bailed us out many times and is the reason we had chances in a lot of games.


I don’t know if you noticed but every team has games where their defense falters.


Teams like Vandy are tough to defend & if you don’t believe me look at what GT did to Uga.. granted I know your dumb arse won’t.


I know it is popular to pile on remaster right now for some reason - but it seems to me that Vandy is 3-5 in the conference. Meaning - 5 other SEC teams figured it out. And here's the kicker - Georgia State beat them. GEORGIA STATE. No... no amount of good stats in other games is gonna lessen the blow of that Vandy loss
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3669 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 6:45 pm to
But is it fair to brand Wommack with a scarlet V forevermore because of that?

I despise losing to anyone and I despise the fact that we lost that night but I’m over that game and moving forward. Or is it an unpardonable sin to lose to Vandy?

And people are piling on Remaster because every, single, solitary post he makes is “DeBoer sucks, he’s not from around these parts.”
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 6:47 pm
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
6036 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 6:50 pm to
It is unpardonable... combined with that loss to OU. You can't look at one loss alone... but losing to those two the way we did with zero adjustments - yep - unpardonable. And I will also add - Debeor better watch his own back - because right now, those two coordinators are squarely on him and he hasn't earned any grace at Alabama yet.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3669 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 6:52 pm to
I’m over Vandy. I’m not over Oklahoma.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
23794 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 6:53 pm to
quote:

It is unpardonable.

It is pardonable though
quote:

those two coordinators are squarely on him

Sheridan is not great but remember he was not the original hire. Grubb was and he left last minute. It's hard to find some after a lot of coaching changes had been made
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
6036 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 6:57 pm to
I know being negative isn't popular. I have been an Alabama fan since the mid-70's. We have enjoyed the thrills and the agonies of success/failure. The thing that rubs so many of my generation - is the lack of leadership in this coaching crew. There is zero fire. There is no commanding authority. It's all "golly gee, they were such a tough team but we will get 'em next time" and that doesn't cut it. Right now it SEEMS like the blind are leading the blind. Call us traitors... call us barners or bulldogs or whatever. We are many and our voice matters just as much as yours
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
23794 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 7:02 pm to
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here is no commanding authority. It's all "golly gee, they were such a tough team but we will get 'em next time" and that doesn't cut it.

Honestly does any team really have that? Michigan I guess did last year but basically the only teams that will have that will be teams with a bunch of experienced senior leadership from PLAYERS not coaches.

Those days are over. Even Saban mellowed out the last few years. You might still see Smart getting mad but his team still has a TON of discipline issues on and off the field. None of these coaches are willing to risk losing a player (unless something inexcusable) to transfer. No one wants to be that hard arse coach. They're like the NFL coaches now except with recruiting
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3669 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 7:09 pm to
I am in my late 60s and my fandom dates back to the same time frame.

The opinions you have expressed … politely and classily I will say, it should be possible to disagree without being disagreeable … go along with what I have said about there being more moving parts to the culture of this football program than W’s and L’s.

I am aware that there is an element of our fan base that sees Bama as representing a certain type of old-school value system that they think is lacking in society today, to society’s detriment.

I respect that. But I will … again, hopefully not disagreeably, it’s just my .02 … submit that in today’s NIL/portal era, there can never again be the level of “commanding authority” in the head coaching position as we had with Paul Bryant and Nick Saban.

I think Saban saw that last year and got out of Dodge while the getting was good.
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
6036 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 7:13 pm to
But here's what I am saying - my opinion is shared by many - call us ill-informed, call us traitors, call us fans of other teams or trolls... whatever. If a pretty large contingent of the fanbase holds this view, somebody needs to address the perception - OR be prepared to hear a LOT of belly-aching from long time supporters. What is the point of jamming up Remaster every time he comments in a way you don't like? He has been a bama fan for years. Let him be and scroll on by. Argue with him... fine. But calling him a stupid troll or barner is just plain dumb.
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