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Been thinking about Milroe and his "processing speed".
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:29 pm
I think what may be off is his mental sequence at the snap.
The shitty snaps don't help.
But basically, he needs to be in 1.5 second mode at the snap. He needs to be mentally prepared to release the ball in 1.5 seconds or less, either to a back in the flat or to a slant.
Only then should his focus shift to his first read.
If you look at a graph of time to sack, it is basically bimodal. There are actually two distinct plays. The first 1.5 seconds and then the greater than 2.5 seconds
He is non functional during the first phase and somewhat effective during the second.
So he needs about 100 reps a day on the practice field with a back, a TE, and a wr, and they need to place a horn on a timer with a 1.5 second delay. And he needs to get efficient at getting the ball to the designated safety valve before his first read.
At one 1.5 seconds, he needs to switch to his first read.
I look at their passing drills in practice and I'm wondering how in the hell that prepares him for a reality like last Night.
I know I'm going to catch heat for this post, but people keep talking about his processing speed, and there has to be a way to enhance his processing speed.
The shitty snaps don't help.
But basically, he needs to be in 1.5 second mode at the snap. He needs to be mentally prepared to release the ball in 1.5 seconds or less, either to a back in the flat or to a slant.
Only then should his focus shift to his first read.
If you look at a graph of time to sack, it is basically bimodal. There are actually two distinct plays. The first 1.5 seconds and then the greater than 2.5 seconds
He is non functional during the first phase and somewhat effective during the second.
So he needs about 100 reps a day on the practice field with a back, a TE, and a wr, and they need to place a horn on a timer with a 1.5 second delay. And he needs to get efficient at getting the ball to the designated safety valve before his first read.
At one 1.5 seconds, he needs to switch to his first read.
I look at their passing drills in practice and I'm wondering how in the hell that prepares him for a reality like last Night.
I know I'm going to catch heat for this post, but people keep talking about his processing speed, and there has to be a way to enhance his processing speed.
This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 5:36 pm
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:32 pm to RiverCityTider
Since our center can't snap the ball correctly Milroe would be better off taking the stance Hurts uses. Semi-crouched.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:32 pm to Night Vision
That is a good point.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:40 pm to Night Vision
He'd snap it over his head then...lol
Posted on 1/2/24 at 5:40 pm to RiverCityTider
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:43 pm to RiverCityTider
Sayin is already here. He’ll be the starter.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:44 pm to Smoke Test
Drugs are bad for your health.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:48 pm to Joka2kold
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Drugs are bad for your health.
So is watching another season of Milroe
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:25 pm to Night Vision
Get under center.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:28 pm to Smoke Test
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Sayin is already here. He’ll be the starter.
You damn well know Saban isn’t going to start him barring injury. It took the most extreme circumstances to get Tua to start over Hurts finally in 2017. This season guys like Robert’s who was clearly better only got the starting role because the guys in front of him got hurt
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:33 am to RiverCityTider
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I couldn't figure out how to "clip" this, apologies.
Here are back to back plays where we motion the RB out.
It appears Michigan is in zone on the 1st play. We try a slant/screen to Bond but it gets sniffed out immediately and the LG had no chance of making the block. Nobody followed Williams on the play.
The 2nd play we again motion Williams to the outside. Michigan overloaded our right side and again did not really have anyone following. The safety steps up but he's 8yds off the LOS at the snap. Because we basically whiff on 2 rushers Milroe can't even get a pass of to what looked like an open Burton. I don't know if this play had to go to Burton but look at the potential running room our RB had if he just flips it out there to him immediately.
I don't know how many options there are for these 2 plays. I don't know if he had the freedom to swing that ball out and just didn't. But I see the motion trying to gain information and/or create mismatches. But as stated throughout the board, even when it appears we have a decent play called someone on the OL can screw the pooch.
ETA: And if you can stomach it feel free to watch a few more minutes and see us implode via shitty snaps.
I couldn't figure out how to "clip" this, apologies.
Here are back to back plays where we motion the RB out.
It appears Michigan is in zone on the 1st play. We try a slant/screen to Bond but it gets sniffed out immediately and the LG had no chance of making the block. Nobody followed Williams on the play.
The 2nd play we again motion Williams to the outside. Michigan overloaded our right side and again did not really have anyone following. The safety steps up but he's 8yds off the LOS at the snap. Because we basically whiff on 2 rushers Milroe can't even get a pass of to what looked like an open Burton. I don't know if this play had to go to Burton but look at the potential running room our RB had if he just flips it out there to him immediately.
I don't know how many options there are for these 2 plays. I don't know if he had the freedom to swing that ball out and just didn't. But I see the motion trying to gain information and/or create mismatches. But as stated throughout the board, even when it appears we have a decent play called someone on the OL can screw the pooch.
ETA: And if you can stomach it feel free to watch a few more minutes and see us implode via shitty snaps.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 9:40 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:56 am to RiverCityTider
I really think everyone is overreacting about Milroe. The dude has his limitations(to go along with tremendous explosive ability)...but like every QB who has limitations, the more game and practice time they get, the more they will reduce the limitations. Hendon Hooker, Bo Pix, and Jayden Daniels are great examples of this. Even Joe Burrow looked pedestrian in his first year of starting.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:03 am to 615tider
Milroe hasn't checked down to the running back or TE in the middle all year, much less thrown it. That has been one of my issues with him mentally. I can't tell you the number of times our rb would be in the flat wide open, and he never looks or goes there. Same with TE crossing ir sitting in the middle.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:07 am to 11and18gggchamp
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Milroe hasn't checked down to the running back or TE in the middle all year, much less thrown it
Do you watch games? How have you missed all the times Milroe has thrown to the RB or TE?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:20 am to scottydoesntknow
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I really think everyone is overreacting about Milroe
We always do.
Everyone knew Milroe had his limitations going into the game. Everyone knew he had improved throughout the season but isn't there yet. Most people had accepted the fact that he was the best option. We all knew this.
Unfortunately Monday's game was worst case scenario for a QB like him-awful snaps from center, awful pass pro, and WRs getting little to no separation. Yet people are melting down over him even though it all made sense as to why he struggled so much.
We can get all upset over the fact that he was our best option, and blame recruiting, but this is pretty common when you lose an all time QB. Sometimes there is a vacuum. All that said, Milroe and this Bama team produced some of the most enjoyable wins I've seen as a Bama fan.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 10:25 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:28 am to JIB
I've watched every game. And every game I've seen him not check down countless times to open backs and TE...why? Because he is looking for the long pass and never comes back. Has he thrown it a few times to them? Sure, but the ratio between throwing it and the times they were wide open is quite poor.
Example, I think it was TN, could have been lsu...3rd and 4. Milroe throws to Burton, behind him, and sandwiched between 2 defenders. Burton makes unbelievable catch 20-25 yards downfield, first down. Everybody goes crazy. Meanwhile, in literally the same line of sight, waving his arms is Dippri, 5 yards downfield, wide open. He doesn't know where to go with it.
Example, I think it was TN, could have been lsu...3rd and 4. Milroe throws to Burton, behind him, and sandwiched between 2 defenders. Burton makes unbelievable catch 20-25 yards downfield, first down. Everybody goes crazy. Meanwhile, in literally the same line of sight, waving his arms is Dippri, 5 yards downfield, wide open. He doesn't know where to go with it.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:28 am to 11and18gggchamp
When I’m watching, I time it how long from the snap until he throws it. There were obviously times he had no time to throw it but countless times, he had 4 or more seconds and he still couldn’t complete the pass a fair amount of time.
Frankly, if he’s given 4 or more seconds, the O line has done their job.
Frankly, if he’s given 4 or more seconds, the O line has done their job.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:29 am to 11and18gggchamp
You are correct, and I think that it's him trying to do too much, being greedy. It's hard to believe that he doesn't know that he has easy check downs when needed.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:36 am to Amarillo Tide
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There were obviously times he had no time to throw it but countless times, he had 4 or more seconds and he still couldn’t complete the pass a fair amount of time.
Frankly, if he’s given 4 or more seconds, the O line has done their job.
They did a much better job in the second half, but a big piece of the puzzle to this is the WRs getting separation and getting open, which they weren't.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:41 am to Funky Tide 8
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but a big piece of the puzzle to this is the WRs getting separation and getting open, which they weren't.
People were swearing we had WRs open but those deep balls they were cloaked.
I remember that short rope Law was suppose to turn and catch and he never even turned to sit in the zone so the ball fell incomplete
A lot of that will be blamed on Milroe but the reality is we know he is limited... he needs his supporting cast to not deep or screw up to make things worse
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