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re: Bama with Sark wins the championship even with the injuries at wideout
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:30 am to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:30 am to Eli Goldfinger
Has everyone forgotten the 2016 NCG loss to Clemson and how everyone hated Sark for his play calling after Scarborough went down?
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Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:36 am to remaster916
UGA played great defensively . Can’t deny that at all. My only gripe I guess was in the 4th qtr when it was obvious we had to move the ball through the air, we had a personnel group of #81,#19,#18,#84 , #4 on the field together . Not much you can do to stretch the field or get very creative with that grouping. They don’t complement each other at all
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
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He isn't nearly as good as either Kiffin or Sark. Not in the slightest.
Hell, he's not even as good as Daboll. You saw in the 2nd and 26 game what Daboll could do with a complete arsenal.
I'd agree with that. Of course, DaBoll is one of the 2-3 best OCs in the NFL and will be a head coach soon (maybe next year), Lane is an offensive savant and Sark was a very solid NFL OC who is an elite or college OC, so it's a pretty high bar.
I think BoB is a "good" coordinator. I think he's probably very good at game-planning, teaching and organization. He's not going to be a guy who schemes mismatches and makes great in-game adjustments, though.
That's a fair assessment. And at the high levels we compete in during the postseason, you have to make good-to-great in-game adjustments, because the other guys will be doing that.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:47 am to BamaGradinTn
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That's a fair assessment. And at the high levels we compete in during the postseason, you have to make good-to-great in-game adjustments, because the other guys will be doing that.
Agree - it's definitely a flaw. And it shows up more when we are forced into situations where we have to try and manufacture offense.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:47 am to remaster916
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Has everyone forgotten the 2016 NCG loss to Clemson and how everyone hated Sark for his play calling after Scarborough went down?
Sark called a bad game but he was suddenly thrust into the role after Kiffin jumped.
BoB has been calling the same plays all the season that don’t work
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:53 am to remaster916
Alright, I guess if we're doing this thread, I'll chime in.
It's easy to say BoB made the most out of the situation. But, he's kind of the reason the situation was what it was. You'll never convince me that none of the young guys could have been contributing more by the end of the regular season. Anyone could see that we had one explosive WR, a very good, but less explosive possession receiver, and a role player who competes hard, but isn't an NFL talent. Those were the guys that got all the passes thrown their way. We needed to get more guys ready from the beginning.
Then when Metchie went down, we didn't even try in the warm up game against Cincinnati to work on it. We were one injury away from having basically no experience at WR. All while a bunch of highly recruited guys either sat on the bench or rarely got a ball thrown their way. I'm not suggesting we have Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith, and Waddle sitting over there, but I have no doubt we have one of them. And a guy like Kiffin or Sark would have gotten them on the field earlier in the year.
BoB was content to depend on Williams and hope for the best. Watch, if we bring in a more creative OC and a competent Oline coach, all of a sudden those WR's that couldn't get on the field, and the underwhelming oline will start to look like the highly-ranked recruits they were.
And, while we're on the subject, we're way too passive in our return game planning/coaching/player selecting.
That's all. I'm not angry. An SEC championship is better than I expected. But, Bob's coaching is like we've regressed 8 years.
It's easy to say BoB made the most out of the situation. But, he's kind of the reason the situation was what it was. You'll never convince me that none of the young guys could have been contributing more by the end of the regular season. Anyone could see that we had one explosive WR, a very good, but less explosive possession receiver, and a role player who competes hard, but isn't an NFL talent. Those were the guys that got all the passes thrown their way. We needed to get more guys ready from the beginning.
Then when Metchie went down, we didn't even try in the warm up game against Cincinnati to work on it. We were one injury away from having basically no experience at WR. All while a bunch of highly recruited guys either sat on the bench or rarely got a ball thrown their way. I'm not suggesting we have Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith, and Waddle sitting over there, but I have no doubt we have one of them. And a guy like Kiffin or Sark would have gotten them on the field earlier in the year.
BoB was content to depend on Williams and hope for the best. Watch, if we bring in a more creative OC and a competent Oline coach, all of a sudden those WR's that couldn't get on the field, and the underwhelming oline will start to look like the highly-ranked recruits they were.
And, while we're on the subject, we're way too passive in our return game planning/coaching/player selecting.
That's all. I'm not angry. An SEC championship is better than I expected. But, Bob's coaching is like we've regressed 8 years.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:58 am to Teague
Those are good points Teague.
Personally, I'd prefer someone who is more of a matchup schemer. I think that BoB's positives are probably redundancies in our program for the most part. Now, those guys don't grow on trees, and if you go get one and are wrong they can be very combustible. But I wouldn't be mad if BoB got another job and we moved on.
I wouldn't be pissed if he came back, but it's certainly a lukewarm feeling. It definitely feels more like the Nuss/Mac era of play-calling and scheming than the Kiff/Sark era.
Personally, I'd prefer someone who is more of a matchup schemer. I think that BoB's positives are probably redundancies in our program for the most part. Now, those guys don't grow on trees, and if you go get one and are wrong they can be very combustible. But I wouldn't be mad if BoB got another job and we moved on.
I wouldn't be pissed if he came back, but it's certainly a lukewarm feeling. It definitely feels more like the Nuss/Mac era of play-calling and scheming than the Kiff/Sark era.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 9:59 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:00 am to Teague
I know Saban is the HC and has a final say so to speak , but I am curious who has the most influence on positional PT. WR coach? OC? Because we don’t develop depth at certain positions even in blowout games and it is frustrating at times . I am like you in that you can’t convince me that the WRs don’t know enough of the playbook to contribute certain things to the offense
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:00 am to Teague
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we're way too passive in our return game planning/coaching/player selecting.
Javier Arenas, Marquis Maze, Cyrus Jones, Eddie Jackson, Jaylen Waddle. We've had some great ones. Suddenly, we're reduced to hoping a guy can make a fair catch without dropping it. It's almost like there's been a philosophy shift.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:00 am to Teague
Special teams aren't special but not really bad.
1-best that Bama allow all kickoffs to go into the endzone and be happy with the 25.
2-just fair catch the punts avoiding the block in the back penalties and 6 yard returns.
3-Our kickoff guy has to nail that left side endzone where the other team doesn't attempt to return because if they do return then they bring it to at least the 35 yardline.
1-best that Bama allow all kickoffs to go into the endzone and be happy with the 25.
2-just fair catch the punts avoiding the block in the back penalties and 6 yard returns.
3-Our kickoff guy has to nail that left side endzone where the other team doesn't attempt to return because if they do return then they bring it to at least the 35 yardline.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:02 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
The cutesie kickoff thing once a game drives me fvckin bananas.
Just kick the ball to the next state and let the other team start at the 25. Unless it's an absolute shootout and field position is fluid, there is no reason to jack around and try to do something goofy. And it feels like every time we do it we kick it out of bounds or give them the ball at the 30 or worse.
Just kick the ball to the next state and let the other team start at the 25. Unless it's an absolute shootout and field position is fluid, there is no reason to jack around and try to do something goofy. And it feels like every time we do it we kick it out of bounds or give them the ball at the 30 or worse.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:04 am to Bear88
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I know Saban is the HC and has a final say so to speak , but I am curious who has the most influence on positional PT. WR coach? OC? Because we don’t develop depth at certain positions even in blowout games and it is frustrating at times . I am like you in that you can’t convince me that the WRs don’t know enough of the playbook to contribute certain things to the offense
The lack of rotation at WR this year was certainly strange. It's a rotational position. It makes sense not to see your backup QB or LT very much, but if you've got a bunch of young guys you can easily get them 15-20 snaps a game. Unless they just did not think they were ready to play.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:09 am to remaster916
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Dropped passes that should have been catches,
Further, on several occasions, Georgia's receivers did a remarkable job securing catches
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:19 am to Teague
I think that feels right, although it might actually be the case that the guys on the bench simply weren't going to be ready this season no matter what.
Kinda beating a dead horse here, at this point, I guess, but I'd join in with what others are saying about BOB's ability to make adjustments and respond in-game to what a defense is doing to create matchup problems - it's a real weak point for him, sometimes to a degree that makes you wonder if he's even attempting to adjust. I think that held us back in a pretty significant way this season, although I realize the critique can be a little hard to get on board with, given that the offense has undeniably still been elite. Also, I mean, I shite on the guy a lot, but he's not a complete hack - he seems to develop plans decently enough and did make some overall schematic adjustments as the season went on and our weakness became more apparent (although I think he did stay devoted to some passing concepts that really just didn't fit us all the way through). And he (and the whole team) really got a raw deal last night with all the injuries and drops and near misses. And UGA is very good.
I'd prefer someone that could do more to optimize us and feel like we're leaving points out there with BOB, but there's reason for optimism even if he stays and I wouldn't pin last night on him.
Kinda beating a dead horse here, at this point, I guess, but I'd join in with what others are saying about BOB's ability to make adjustments and respond in-game to what a defense is doing to create matchup problems - it's a real weak point for him, sometimes to a degree that makes you wonder if he's even attempting to adjust. I think that held us back in a pretty significant way this season, although I realize the critique can be a little hard to get on board with, given that the offense has undeniably still been elite. Also, I mean, I shite on the guy a lot, but he's not a complete hack - he seems to develop plans decently enough and did make some overall schematic adjustments as the season went on and our weakness became more apparent (although I think he did stay devoted to some passing concepts that really just didn't fit us all the way through). And he (and the whole team) really got a raw deal last night with all the injuries and drops and near misses. And UGA is very good.
I'd prefer someone that could do more to optimize us and feel like we're leaving points out there with BOB, but there's reason for optimism even if he stays and I wouldn't pin last night on him.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:27 am to BamaGradinTn
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Javier Arenas, Marquis Maze, Cyrus Jones, Eddie Jackson, Jaylen Waddle. We've had some great ones. Suddenly, we're reduced to hoping a guy can make a fair catch without dropping it. It's almost like there's been a philosophy shift.
It's called The Bama Kick Game Juxtification Principle. We either have a reliable FG/kickoff guy or a really good return guy, we aren't allowed to have both at the dame time.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:31 am to FeralFeral
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Kinda beating a dead horse here, at this point, I guess, but I'd join in with what others are saying about BOB's ability to make adjustments and respond in-game to what a defense is doing to create matchup problems - it's a real weak point for him, sometimes to a degree that makes you wonder if he's even attempting to adjust. I think that held us back in a pretty significant way this season, although I realize the critique can be a little hard to get on board with, given that the offense has undeniably still been elite. Also, I mean, I shite on the guy a lot, but he's not a complete hack - he seems to develop plans decently enough and did make some overall schematic adjustments as the season went on and our weakness became more apparent (although I think he did stay devoted to some passing concepts that really just didn't fit us all the way through). And he (and the whole team) really got a raw deal last night with all the injuries and drops and near misses. And UGA is very good.
I'd prefer someone that could do more to optimize us and feel like we're leaving points out there with BOB, but there's reason for optimism even if he stays and I wouldn't pin last night on him.
You said it better than I did. These are exactly my thoughts on BoB and the game last night.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:33 am to SummerOfGeorge
We didn’t have enough guys ready to compete at a championship level. We didn’t last year either. By the time Smitty got hurt the doors had already been blown off so Metchie and the shell of Waddle was enough to get it home. The only thing that could have sunk us this year was to lose Jamo and Metchie to serious injury. Neither I nor you nor BOB nor Sark would have bet on that.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:58 am to BamaGradinTn
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Hell, he's not even as good as Daboll. You saw in the 2nd and 26 game what Daboll could do with a complete arsenal.
Wish Daboll would have stayed another year. He took unwarranted trash from the backbenchers.
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