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Posted on 4/17/23 at 4:34 pm to alabamabuckeye
Posted on 4/17/23 at 4:34 pm to alabamabuckeye
Not a surprise. Best of luck to him.
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Posted on 4/17/23 at 4:35 pm to Bear88
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Maybe Milroe can/will/ has improve(d)
I know this might be hard to believe, but Milroe has looked really, really good in the past (as in, prior to last season).
He's not a polished passer by any means, but I've seen him make some great reads and amazing throws, multiple times — last season's in-game results were simply not consistent with what I've witnessed.
That tells me that something else was probably going on, but I can assure you, he's capable of being better than what we saw on the field against Texas A&M. Best case scenario, it was BOB. Worst case, it's a deal like Blake Barnett where the game is just too big for him when the lights come on.
Now don't get me wrong, he still needs to continue to improve, but if he can just consistently be what he's already shown in the past inside the practice facility, he'll be more than fine.
If for some reason he can't be that same guy on Saturdays, then I guess someone else will just have to step up. Either way, I feel like it's his to lose at this point (and I didn't expect to be saying that last week).
Posted on 4/17/23 at 4:35 pm to alabamabuckeye
quote:I think you have to be a receiving threat in the Rees offense. He was probably encouraged to look elsewhere.
Elijah Brown in the portal
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:15 pm to DLev45
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Two NFL teams are about to use Top 10 picks on Will Levis and Anthony Richardson, and I think Milroe has a similar profile. 6'2, 220, A+ athlete with a cannon. I think Milroe's potential is very underrated by our own fanbase.
If Milroe plays the way those guys did in college we're pretty fricked.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:20 pm to paperwasp
It’s two weeks into April. Not mid August. I think it’s a bit early to be crowning someone as the starter.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:50 pm to bamatide07
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I think it’s a bit early to be crowning someone as the starter
I'm not crowning anyone.
I said, "I feel like it's his to lose at this point."
He could still lose it on Saturday, or four months from now. Or not at all.
That's up to him — I have no idea what's going to happen.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:56 pm to DLev45
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I agree, we saw his limitations. We also saw his strengths, which I thought were very strong. That's why my dissatisfaction was with BOB's adjustments for Milroe and not Milroe's limitations. You can win a lot of games emphasizing what Milroe is good at. Kiffin did it with 2 different guys.
Of course we would all welcome a sure-fire 1st round transfer like Drake May. But as far as I am aware, there isn't anyone like that out there.
And my point was that I believe Milroe to be capable of much better than sub-par QB play, just based on what we already saw last year, IF, and big IF, we scheme for his strengths.
Two NFL teams are about to use Top 10 picks on Will Levis and Anthony Richardson, and I think Milroe has a similar profile. 6'2, 220, A+ athlete with a cannon. I think Milroe's potential is very underrated by our own fanbase.
I agree with everything you've said. And, I especially agree with the bolded portion. I had a similar conversation with my cousin and I told him that Milroe compares athletically to Anthony Richardson. If Milroe shows improvement and has a good season he can very well be the number 1 overall pick in next year's NFL draft. Anthony Richardson didn't even have a good season (Will Levis wasn't that good either in my opinion) and him being taken anywhere in the first round is mind-blowing to me.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:59 pm to Bear88
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Jalen sure did improve tremendously …. Maybe Milroe can/will/ has improve(d) . Coaches see em everyday , they will put the best out there
Yes, Jalen has improved greatly but the NFL isn't asking these guys to be QBs as they have been in NFL history up until this point. I'm happy guys are getting paid but the ascension of Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson (he'll eventually get what Jalen Hurts got as far as money or even more money), Anthony Richardson, etc. says a lot about the poor quality of QB-ing in football these days.
This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:03 pm to Shaft Williams
It’s like they are football’s version of a point guard. Nobody thinks any of these guy’s are great passers.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 6:50 pm to Shaft Williams
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Yes, Jalen has improved greatly but the NFL isn't asking these guys to be QBs as they have been in NFL history up until this point. I'm happy guys are getting paid but the ascension of Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson (he'll eventually get what Jalen Hurts got as far as money or even more money), Anthony Richardson, etc. says a lot about the poor quality of QB-ing in football these days.
I think it just shows what we have come to witness at Alabama during Saban's tenure and the NFL is late adapting.
QB's who are plus-athletes capable of making all of the throws, but also game-breaking playmakers going off-script, are harder to defend than traditional drop-back passers (Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Johnny Manziel, DeShaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, Kyler Murray, Hendon Hooker, etc.).
The days of your Peyton Mannings and Tom Bradys -- Hall of Fame passers who couldn't make a play off-script if their life depended on it -- are going the way of the dodo, fast.
No pocket passer has ever sniffed a win against a Saban defense these last 17 years. But then a Nick Marshall or a Matt Corral or a Jayden Daniels comes around and puts up 500 yards and 50 points and have Saban blowing a gasket and us fans ready to shitcan the whole defensive staff.
This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:04 pm to DLev45
People underestimate Ty Simpson’s athleticism. He’s not Milroe but that guy can extend plays and run on designed plays. As far as pocket passers go, Zach Calzada and Stephen Garcia were pocket passers who ripped us a new arse when we played them. Neither one did much of anything else when they played other teams and that’s what is so frustrating.
This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 4/17/23 at 8:30 pm to DLev45
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QB's who are plus-athletes capable of making all of the throws, but also game-breaking playmakers going off-script, are harder to defend than traditional drop-back passers (Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Johnny Manziel, DeShaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, Kyler Murray, Hendon Hooker, etc.).
The days of your Peyton Mannings and Tom Bradys -- Hall of Fame passers who couldn't make a play off-script if their life depended on it -- are going the way of the dodo, fast.
Idk man, none of those players you listed have done all that much of note in the NFL besides win some playoff games. Newton made it to a super bowl but was shut down by an elite defense.
How many non pocket passing QBs have won the super bowl in the past 10 years? It's a little early to say that they are going extinct. Hell, Joe Burrow and Mac Jones tore cfb a new butthole within the past 4 years.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 8:38 pm to Funky Tide 8
Do you classify Patrick Mahomes a pocket passer or dual threat? I think that he’s both because he can run and extend plays but he isn’t the athlete that Lamar Jackson is.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 8:41 pm to Funky Tide 8
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How many non pocket passing QBs have won the super bowl in the past 10 years? It's a little early to say that they are going extinct. Hell, Joe Burrow and Mac Jones tore cfb a new butthole within the past 4 years.
The "freak athlete running QB's who can sorta throw will take over the NFL any day now" narrative has been pushed for the last decade and still hasn't happened. It's still very much a passing league, but guys like Herbert, Burrow and Allen that can scramble on top of being consistently accurate seem to be popping up a lot more frequently.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:11 am to bamatide07
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People underestimate Ty Simpson’s athleticism
Simpson had two or three really nice scrambles on Saturday, including one for a TD.
I think you're right about his overall ability, it just doesn't look like the game has slowed down yet for him, if that makes sense — and sometimes the coaching staff makes it especially difficult (on purpose) during scrimmages.
He's still got four months to work it out, and for Rees to build around his particular skill set.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:44 am to Marktastic86
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but guys like Herbert, Burrow and Allen that can scramble on top of being consistently accurate seem to be popping up a lot more frequently.
but even if you look at some the top NFL QBs of the 90s and 00s, there were guys that could do that: Cunningham, Moon, Young, Favre, Elway, McNair, Culpepper, Garcia, McNabb.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:55 am to paperwasp
Exactly. It's mid April, two weeks into spring training with a new OC. It may take him a little bit for the game to slow down. A lot can happen between now and August.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 8:58 am to DLev45
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No pocket passer has ever sniffed a win against a Saban defense these last 17 years.
Zach Calzada beat Bama in 2021 and finished the year with -9 yards rushing
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:01 am to JIB
Jake Fromm had a great game against Alabama in the 2018 SECCG and so did Zach Mettenberger in the 2012 LSU game. The dual threat QB narrative is mostly BS.
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