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re: Anyone think Tua pushes Hurts
Posted on 11/24/16 at 4:14 am to uofarolltide
Posted on 11/24/16 at 4:14 am to uofarolltide
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I highly doubt that Jalen will go from about a 4 as a passer, to an 8+ in an offseason, but I hope I'm wrong.
Why the hyperbole? He's been average at worst for the majority of the season. Yeah there have been some low points but that should be expected from a true freshman QB.
Look at Browning last season; his numbers were pretty close to Jalen's this year and he was straight up bad against basically every decent defense they faced. This season he's put up Heisman-worthy numbers. The same is true of Lamar Jackson or Jared Goff a few years ago.
There's not anything there mechanically preventing Hurts from becoming a great passer. It's just a matter of him continuing to develop the mental aspects of the game which, if recent cases are anything to go by, will likely happen by next season.
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Posted on 11/24/16 at 7:02 am to imraged
Why do some Bama fans hate Hurts so much??
Posted on 11/24/16 at 7:37 am to BamaDude06
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The NFL is pretty good a evaluating players talent regardless of the system they play in. Hell, Demaryius Thomas played in a triple option offense at Georgia Tech and he was still a first round draft pick.
It's not the reality of the situation as much as the perspective rival coaches may use to convince the elite receivers that they'd be better in their system. Reality or facts often don't much matter in the cut throat world of recruiting.
NFL aside, a great receiver wants to show his talent and brag to his pretty little girlfriend. They're on television about every week, and then the highlights on ESPN, etc. You're going to see that long touchdown route more times than you will a jet sweep.
I hope and think Hurts will improve by next year. It's not unrealistic, though, to think that if our intermediate and long game doesn't improve, it can impact not only the win/loss column, but recruiting of wide receivers.
It's an opinion, but I can about guarantee rival coaches are already using that angle. Posters can downvote all they want to, but it won't change the situation like a good passing game will change it.
This post was edited on 11/24/16 at 8:06 am
Posted on 11/24/16 at 8:40 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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It's not the reality of the situation as much as the perspective rival coaches may use to convince the elite receivers that they'd be better in their system. Reality or facts often don't much matter in the cut throat world of recruiting.
NFL aside, a great receiver wants to show his talent and brag to his pretty little girlfriend. They're on television about every week, and then the highlights on ESPN, etc. You're going to see that long touchdown route more times than you will a jet sweep.
I hope and think Hurts will improve by next year. It's not unrealistic, though, to think that if our intermediate and long game doesn't improve, it can impact not only the win/loss column, but recruiting of wide receivers.
The best WR in the NFL came to Alabama when JPW was our QB, coming off of a 500 season. Cooper was a diamond in the rough relative to his talent, and our staff recognized it. Ridley came in when we didn't even know who the QB would be.
Newsflash: opposing coaches have been negative recruiting against us since day 1 in every imaginable way, and Jalen Hurts of all QBs ain't gonna be the reason a WR doesn't commit to us.
Posted on 11/24/16 at 8:59 am to Funky Tide 8
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Newsflash: opposing coaches have been negative recruiting against us since day 1 in every imaginable way, and Jalen Hurts of all QBs ain't gonna be the reason a WR doesn't commit to us.
Newsflash: The fact that negative recruiting isn't a new thing doesn't change the point one jot nor tittle. In fact, I already said that it's a cut throat world.
Newsflash: A piss poor intermediate and downfield passing game would very likely impact recruiting at the wide receiver position. Anybody that doesn't believe this to be so is very naive.
That aside, and a more immediate concern, is that the lack of a passing game may get us beat in the playoffs. Hurts can do it. I saw it in the MSU game, albeit they suck at defense. He's inconsistent. Hell, even Saban says it with comments like "we need to do a better job of getting the ball to the playmakers downfield." Argue with Saban about it.
edit: When Saban came here, I am sure he convinced receivers we were going to have a balanced offense, and throw the ball downfield. We have done that, and it's what keeps bringing those guys to Alabama. This year we haven't done much of that because we basically suck at it. I hope we don't suck at it for 4 years.
This post was edited on 11/24/16 at 9:03 am
Posted on 11/24/16 at 9:01 am to Funky Tide 8
"Hey they have that freshman QB who led them to a great season despite the odds, and he was one of the most successful freshmen ever in terms of team success. But he can't throw the long ball perfectly, so you as a wide receiver, shouldn't go there!"
Jeudy asks, "So they played a freshman QB full-time?"
"Yeah"
"And a freshman back?"
"Yeah"
"And a freshman right tackle?"
"Yeah"
"And most of their freshman at least played on special teams?"
"Yeah"
"Well, I'm going to be a freshman next year..."
"Ah. Yes."
Jeudy asks, "So they played a freshman QB full-time?"
"Yeah"
"And a freshman back?"
"Yeah"
"And a freshman right tackle?"
"Yeah"
"And most of their freshman at least played on special teams?"
"Yeah"
"Well, I'm going to be a freshman next year..."
"Ah. Yes."
Posted on 11/24/16 at 9:05 am to Kcoyote
I wouldn't expect it to be an issue with this year's recruits. Hopefully they are committed not only figuratively, but absolutely.
edit: I'm not sure why so many people get hung up on a single point when the issue is the bigger situation.
edit II: same as I hope Tua is committed. That's what the thread is about, you know. Can Tua possibly help us out next year. If Hurts doesn't improve his passing game, then yeah, I absolutely hope that Tua can help us. He might even be a true dual threat qb, as in passing as well as running the ball. When we get that, and I think Hurts can do it, then we will be hell to beat. And yes, I do realize we are yet unbeaten this year. I think it's more to do with an awesome defense, a very good team overall, and Hurts ability to run the ball that has gotten us here. The point is that if he develops a consistent passing game, we'll be better still, even take advantage of those awesome receivers. Who doesn't want to be even better?
Saban is famous for not being complacent. He said something like "mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." Be like Nick Saban. Don't accept mediocrity in any endeavor. Try to be even better still.
Oh yeah, and you guys suggest another point. Yes, Saban has proven that he will play freshmen if it helps the team. Tua will be a freshman. Go figure.
I bet that Hurts is a driven fellow. I bet nobody wants him to improve more than he wants it himself, but the fact there is another new guy that might play well given the chance can't...uhh...well it can't hurt.
edit: I'm not sure why so many people get hung up on a single point when the issue is the bigger situation.
edit II: same as I hope Tua is committed. That's what the thread is about, you know. Can Tua possibly help us out next year. If Hurts doesn't improve his passing game, then yeah, I absolutely hope that Tua can help us. He might even be a true dual threat qb, as in passing as well as running the ball. When we get that, and I think Hurts can do it, then we will be hell to beat. And yes, I do realize we are yet unbeaten this year. I think it's more to do with an awesome defense, a very good team overall, and Hurts ability to run the ball that has gotten us here. The point is that if he develops a consistent passing game, we'll be better still, even take advantage of those awesome receivers. Who doesn't want to be even better?
Saban is famous for not being complacent. He said something like "mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." Be like Nick Saban. Don't accept mediocrity in any endeavor. Try to be even better still.
Oh yeah, and you guys suggest another point. Yes, Saban has proven that he will play freshmen if it helps the team. Tua will be a freshman. Go figure.
I bet that Hurts is a driven fellow. I bet nobody wants him to improve more than he wants it himself, but the fact there is another new guy that might play well given the chance can't...uhh...well it can't hurt.
This post was edited on 11/24/16 at 9:51 am
Posted on 11/24/16 at 9:49 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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The fact that negative recruiting isn't a new thing doesn't change the point one jot nor tittle.
So the fact that negative recruiting has not hurt us in the past, in worse situations, doesn't mean anything? OK.
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A piss poor intermediate and downfield passing game would very likely impact recruiting at the wide receiver position.
Cool, glad that this isn't the case.
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That aside, and a more immediate concern, is that the lack of a passing game may get us beat in the playoffs
Sure, but that's why we play the game. We aren't guaranteed to win any game, never have.
No one is saying that Hurts doesn't need improvement, only that these struggles were absolutely expected when we named Hurts the starter. And those struggles are way overblown on this board.
Our passing situation was in basically the same situation last year, probably even worse. What happened last year?
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This year we haven't done much of that because we basically suck at it.
I have no stats, but I'm willing to bet that we have thrown it down field as much or more than any other year since Saban's arrival. If it's less, the difference is negligible.
I just don't understand how people are concerned over whether or not a true freshman is going to improve in passing down the road. It's actually mind blowing.
This post was edited on 11/24/16 at 9:53 am
Posted on 11/24/16 at 9:53 am to Funky Tide 8
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I just don't understand how anyone is expecting a true freshman to not improve in passing down the road. It's actually mind blowing.
Considering that I've said a few times in this thread that I do expect he will improve, then it's pretty mind blowing that you make the comment.
1- you either aren't reading all the comments
or
2- by now you just want to argue
Posted on 11/24/16 at 10:17 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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2- by now you just want to argue
Says the guy arguing that Jalen is a threat to out future WR recruiting
Posted on 11/24/16 at 10:22 am to BamaDude06
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Says the guy arguing that Jalen is a threat to out future WR recruiting
If you're going to debate the point, then get it right.
I never said "Jalen is a threat to out future WR recruiting".
I said if he doesn't improve, it could impact our wide receiver recruiting.
There is a difference. If you can't understand that difference, then that's your problem.
edit: And there is yet another post that ignores the larger issue. It's erroneous and ignores the bigger point.
Mind blown.
This post was edited on 11/24/16 at 10:24 am
Posted on 11/24/16 at 6:38 pm to stomp
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Why do some Bama fans hate Hurts so much??
Just so you know, I don't hate Hurts. I fricking love Jalen Hurts (when he's not looking like a scrub). He has some great intangibles.
I was saying the same thing as you about Coker last year. Nobody seemed to like him. He had a more than solid arm, was a gritty runner, and was just a fricking winner. I like QBs that can pass the football, first and foremost - call me old fashioned.
The reason I'm unconvinced by Jalen Hurts is because he hasn't improved over the season. He's not a good passer, and it's not just the mental aspect. I haven't seen him hit a guy in stride but maybe a handful of times all season. Believe it or not, being a highly skilled passer is a necessity at the QB position. I know you've forgotten this, but we have a BAD arse at WR in Calvin Ridley. He'd be putting up stupid numbers with a QB that could actually pass. With Jalen, he has just over 600 yards heading into the 11th game, many of which were off flip/screen passes.
Jalen has impressed me as a facilitator, and a winner so far. If he wins the championship, I'm sold. Otherwise, I won't be sold until he consistently can complete passes that stretch the field. Until he can actually utilize some of the top receiver talent in the country.
This post was edited on 11/24/16 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 11/24/16 at 7:44 pm to Funky Tide 8
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The best WR in the NFL came to Alabama when JPW was our QB, coming off of a 500 season.
The best WR in the NFL usually isn't from Foley, Alabama. And his college career was very underwhelming compared to what it could have been at a school with a better passing game.
Posted on 11/24/16 at 7:53 pm to thefloydian
Could you imagine Julio in a Mike Leach offense.
ETA: Honestly, I don't think Hurts hurts WR prospects coming to Bama too much. We currently have two of the 5 receiving leaders in the league and we were a "running school"
Beckham Jr. went to LSU.
I would be more worried about Hurt's judgement causing an injury to a WR. He has been late with a few throws and our WRs have paid the price.
ETA: Honestly, I don't think Hurts hurts WR prospects coming to Bama too much. We currently have two of the 5 receiving leaders in the league and we were a "running school"
Beckham Jr. went to LSU.
I would be more worried about Hurt's judgement causing an injury to a WR. He has been late with a few throws and our WRs have paid the price.
This post was edited on 11/24/16 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 11/24/16 at 7:55 pm to thefloydian
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The best WR in the NFL usually isn't from Foley, Alabama.
Irrelevant.
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And his college career was very underwhelming compared to what it could have been at a school with a better passing game.
Thanks for proving my point.
Posted on 11/24/16 at 8:01 pm to Funky Tide 8
Julio came to Bama because he is from Alabama. You can pretend it's irrelevant, but it isn't.
That said, I don't agree that Hurts hurts recruiting. That's just ridiculous.
That said, I don't agree that Hurts hurts recruiting. That's just ridiculous.
Posted on 11/24/16 at 8:05 pm to uofarolltide
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haven't seen him hit a guy in stride but maybe a handful of times all season
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I know you've forgotten this, but we have a BAD arse at WR in Calvin Ridley.
He had 94 yards literally the last game we played and a perfectly thrown 47 yard touchdown pass from hurts, in stride.
This is why posts like these get slammed. It's like you people are blind, and only want to highlight any bad things you can think of.
Posted on 11/24/16 at 8:05 pm to uofarolltide
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This post was edited on 11/24/16 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 11/24/16 at 8:06 pm to thefloydian
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Julio came to Bama because he is from Alabama. You can pretend it's irrelevant, but it isn't.
Right, but he could've gone anywhere, and he didn't because our coaches are great recruiters and knew how to reel him in.
Posted on 11/24/16 at 8:17 pm to uofarolltide
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The reason I'm unconvinced by Jalen Hurts is because he hasn't improved over the season. He's not a good passer, and it's not just the mental aspect. I haven't seen him hit a guy in stride but maybe a handful of times all season
I think Funky asked about throwing downfield but didn't have the stats. However, I couldn't find that post anymore.
Out of all of Jalen's attempts; 17% of them have been completed for 15+ yards. Out of all of Jalen's attempts, 8% have been completed for 25+ yards.
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