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bamameister
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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
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I actually think that the confederate flag doesn’t matter to most blacks or whites. I believe it’s something that gets latched on to. I also believe that once confederate flags are gone, there will be something else that offends the hell out of these same people.

By saying this, I’m not opposed or in favor of the confederate flag, I honestly don’t give a damn



What do you think of the Swastika flag? It has a long and rich history all over the world, including America, for the last 5000 years. In a little over a decade Hitler changed the symbolic meaning of the "hooked cross" for billions of people to this very day.

That's the power of flags to invoke emotions to a cause. It's also why the Confederate flag has been a rallying cry for hate groups to this day.
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narddogg81
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Black lives can't matter until they matter to black people. Right now the only ones that matter are the ones that can be used to increase racial tension.


stomp
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Well I guess when they stop killing each other hundreds of times over vs police would be a great starting point I would feel. Just this past week in Chicago alone, 24 were killed and over 100 shot and wounded. That's in ONE city in ONE week. But police are the problem? Gimme a fricking break.

Minneapolis was awful. No way should that have happened. Period. No excuses. And that officer is currently in jail with significant charges and will never see freedom again. Other officers on scene were charged as well. I think all of that is right and just. I literally haven't heard anyone say otherwise.

So why isn't black on black violence an issue BLM wants to address? That absolutely undermines their message. "Our lives only matter when a white officer kills one of us, but we can kill each other indescriminately". Hmmm


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Black lives can't matter until they matter to black people. Right now the only ones that matter are the ones that can be used to increase racial tension.


Chicago already has groups focused on inner city black on black crime. The claim that black people don't care about black on black crime is a deflection away from the core issue. BLM as a movement (NOT the marxist organization profiting off the movement) was in response to police killing black people with immunity.

I ask again, what does the violence level in black communities have to be in order for black people to address black people dying at the hands of the police? Does it have to get to zero?

Please answer that question and read the links below before you do.

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TideCPA
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BLM as a movement (NOT the marxist organization profiting off the movement)
Both were literally started by the same people.
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was in response to police killing black people with immunity.
Which continues to be a lie with no empirical support. There is no demonstrable racial bias in the lethal use of force by police, though that's not necessarily true for non-lethal use of force. It all happens too much, but that's not what any of this is actually about. Re-theming Splash Mountain, changing syrup bottles, and calling for destroying depictions of Jesus as white have nothing to do with police brutality.
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Chicago already has groups focused on inner city black on black crime.
Then why isn't it working? LINK

And why is there essentially zero legislative and media attention on the issue? Seems like all these politicians and pundits on their morally woke high horses who beat us over the head with our supposed "privilege" and apparent support of "systemic oppression" would be at least even slightly concerned about the THOUSANDS of bodies on their streets each year, right?


stomp
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Which continues to be a lie with no empirical support. There is no demonstrable racial bias in the lethal use of force by police, though that's not necessarily true for non-lethal use of force. It all happens too much, but that's not what any of this is actually about. Re-theming Splash Mountain, changing syrup bottles, and calling for destroying depictions of Jesus as white have nothing to do with police brutality.


More deflections. Answer my questions above in bold.

"Black on black crime" as a phrase in and of itself is loaded language and will NEVER be solved, because it's GENERAL CRIME which cannot be eradicated in a free society.

When a white student is raped by a white teacher and walks free, nobody asks "well whatabout white on white crime?!" Why is that?
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Lucky_Stryke
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Chicago already has groups focused on inner city black on black crime. The claim that black people don't care about black on black crime is a deflection away from the core issue. BLM as a movement (NOT the marxist organization profiting off the movement) was in response to police killing black people with immunity.

I ask again, what does the violence level in black communities have to be in order for black people to address black people dying at the hands of the police? Does it have to get to zero?


There isn't immunity. That's a false premise in and of itself. The Minneapolis officer is currently incarcerated and charges brought on the other officers there. So that already negates that argument.

It's also not a deflection when they sit on their hands when silent when a black child get shot in senseless acts by another black person but March in the streets burning shite down when police shoot someone who fights with officers, steals one of their tasers, shoots it at the officer then gets shot? That's the very falsehood of their ideals and motives.

I've already stated that it didn't have to be zero, I stated that they need to address black on black crime. I'm referencing BLM group. I don't care if they have a million groups to address it inner city violence, the cold hard facts are they arent doin shite. The problem is that they protests and burn shite down for one, but don't give a frick about the hundreds dying by their own hands? That's like having 2 holes in the wall. One caused by you that's 5 feet wide and one 5 inches wide caused by someone else and pitching a fit about fixing the small hole but completely oblivious the gaping huge hole. Doesn't make sense. You fix both holes!
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And Mississippi is considering following the lead of Georgia by adopting a flag that is also historically connected to the Confederacy. The 2 leading candidates for the new state flag are the Stennis flag which was designed recently (and is apparently the front-runner at this point and it looks pretty cool and has nothing to do with the Old South that I am aware of) and the Bonnie Blue, which was one of the first flags considered as representing the CSA.

I agree with Cobra, I've always viewed the battle flag as a symbol of the South and southern ways, not oppression and slavery. I despise that it has been co-opted by hate groups as a symbol of racism. I understand it has become offensive to people for that reason and I understand wanting it removed. I don't disagree with that. I only ask that those people offended remember that there is a LARGE group of people out there who view it only as a symbol of their heritage that they are proud of. Not the slavery and oppression and racism, but the good parts of the Old South and there are many.

I find it hilarious and ironic that the people of Georgia found a way (and Mississippi is considering) to symbolize their connection to their history without using the emblem that has been demonized by haters. It makes me wonder is it the symbol or the culture it is supposed to represent?


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BLM as a movement (NOT the marxist organization profiting off the movement) was in response to police killing black people with immunity.


It looks like the BLM is making a difference as we are seeing police reform throughout the country. So my question now is, why can't they do the same for black on black crime? You would think with as much sway as they have that they can make a difference in their own neighborhoods right? I know you linked local groups trying to make a difference which is great, but it's obviously not working.


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"Black on black crime" as a phrase in and of itself is loaded language and will NEVER be solved, because it's GENERAL CRIME which cannot be eradicated in a free society.

When a white student is raped by a white teacher and walks free, nobody asks "well whatabout white on white crime?!" Why is that?


One is extremely likely to be gang related and the other isn't. There are likely somewhere between 100,000 - 150,000 gang members in Chicago. Something like 80-90% of all murders in Chicago every year are gang related, and nearly all of the killers and victims are minorities. Because so much of the violent crime is gang related, it's really easy for the average person to make the jump from those being hundreds of individual crimes committed by individual criminals to believing it to be an entire community that is criminal in nature.
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Black lives can't matter until they matter to black people. Right now the only ones that matter are the ones that can be used to increase racial tension.


Perfectly spoken.


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I've already stated that it didn't have to be zero, I stated that they need to address black on black crime. I'm referencing BLM group. I don't care if they have a million groups to address it inner city violence, the cold hard facts are they arent doin shite. The problem is that they protests and burn shite down for one, but don't give a frick about the hundreds dying by their own hands? That's like having 2 holes in the wall. One caused by you that's 5 feet wide and one 5 inches wide caused by someone else and pitching a fit about fixing the small hole but completely oblivious the gaping huge hole. Doesn't make sense. You fix both holes!


What do you propose they do to fix those issues? Are you willing to help?


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stomp
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So my question now is, why can't they do the same for black on black crime?


Define black and black crime and propose a solution.


Lucky_Stryke
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When a white student is raped by a white teacher and walks free, nobody asks "well whatabout white on white crime?!" Why is that?


Cause white people arent screaming in the streets saying they matter and burning shite down destroying property that has nothing to do with anything??


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I agree with Cobra, I've always viewed the battle flag as a symbol of the South and southern ways, not oppression and slavery. I despise that it has been co-opted by hate groups as a symbol of racism.



The thing is, it's rise in popularity in the South was because it was co-opted by white southerners in the early 1900's as a way to remind freed blacks of their place in Southern society. In that era, it became a symbol of the Lost Cause, and that cause was the continuing subjugation of the black race. They replaced slavery with Jim Crow laws and separate but equal when things weren't at all equal by any measurement. The "heritage not hate" mantra was a catchy slogan to make white people feel okay for displaying something many found offensive. There is a tremendous amount of Southern heritage to be proud of besides a five year failed state.

And I say that as someone that used to own a few Confederate flags and echoed the "heritage not hate" mantra. Once I educated myself on that flag's true history, I quickly distanced myself from it.

Fun trivia on this. The day the Confederate Flag was raised over the Alabama Capitol Building permanently was the day AG Robert Kennedy came to Montgomery to talk to George Wallace about civil rights.


cdur86
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Define black and black crime and propose a solution.


Definition of black on black crime according to Merriam: "involving a black person against another black person" I mean is there a different definition that I need to be aware of that isn't as obvious?

Solution: Starts at home. This can be said for all races. Value life from beginning until end.


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Robot Santa
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There is a tremendous amount of Southern heritage to be proud of besides a five year failed state.


The general media portrayal of Southerners and commentary on the South is extremely negative though, and a ton of the current reaction to the removal of Confederate imagery absolutely has a vein of "they already treat us like a bunch of stupid hicks, so they aren't going to tell us what to do too."


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bamameister
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Cause white people arent screaming in the streets saying they matter and burning shite down destroying property that has nothing to do with anything??




Yes, they are. I'm watching rallies in different parts of this country where the majority of protesters are white Americans. I'm watching rallies in the UK and they love their Prime Minister and have very little party disunity.

Strong feelings of injustice and inequality are for everyone. You could be missing one helluva show here.


TideCPA
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"Black on black crime" as a phrase in and of itself is loaded language and will NEVER be solved, because it's GENERAL CRIME which cannot be eradicated in a free society.

When a white student is raped by a white teacher and walks free, nobody asks "well whatabout white on white crime?!" Why is that?

Well, for one, nobody is arguing that crime will ever be zero. It's a matter of fact that most crime occurs between members of the same cultural group, because people tend to cluster in groups that share the same characteristics. To answer your question, it's almost entirely because crime (particularly violent crime) in black communities is far more prevalent than in other groups. The murder rate, for example, is nearly 7x higher for black Americans than white Americans, and nearly 20x (!!!) higher than for Asian Americans.

The reason people bring it up is to highlight the complete logical disconnect in the people claiming to hold black lives as especially sacrosanct while simultaneously ignoring dozens of daily deaths as humdrum (or "GENERAL CRIME" as you put it).
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Lucky_Stryke
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I'm referencing white people saying white lives matter. The white people out there with BLM is antifa rooted and could care less about the movement, but they are there to incite and inflame then move onto the next event.


calgrad
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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
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So why isn't black on black violence an issue BLM wants to address?

There's little money, to be made, in addressing black-on-black violence.

There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. - Booker T. Washington 1911


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