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Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:25 pm to bamameister
Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:25 pm to bamameister
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That's the thing. No political movement or outside pressure has ever moved these rednecks from Mississippi to do anything but what they are inclined to do. Well, until now.
It wasn't just rednecks who voted to keep the Mississippi state flag 20 years ago.
A black gentleman dressed up in full Confederate garb and paraded the flag on television for 6 weeks straight during Jackson city council meetings.
There is no "movement" amongst the black community in Mississippi to change the flag. None.
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:29 pm to TideSaint
I actually think that the confederate flag doesn’t matter to most blacks or whites. I believe it’s something that gets latched on to. I also believe that once confederate flags are gone, there will be something else that offends the hell out of these same people.
By saying this, I’m not opposed or in favor of the confederate flag, I honestly don’t give a damn
By saying this, I’m not opposed or in favor of the confederate flag, I honestly don’t give a damn
Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:35 pm to Cobrasize
So I’ll jump in on that, this is something that keeps coming up in discussion and has been studied.
The larger cities and their AA occupants are up to around a 75% fatherless or motherless percentage, it’s staggering. Mix that in with poorly if not corrupt city councils and local officials, who btw effect a lot more than given credit. You then have a breading ground of uneducated, low moral, non guided youth. My stance based on research has always been clean out the local officials, to the core, get these kids who are parent less in school and with mentors, and I bet you see that 13% of the population drop in murder (over 50% total of the entire US) and crime rates.
Yes people have choices and make them daily. It’s not an excuse but guidance from a respected individual can go a long way.
On the local officials again, they literally will do anything to get elected regardless of any morality, it’s all about staying in office. It’s sick.
The larger cities and their AA occupants are up to around a 75% fatherless or motherless percentage, it’s staggering. Mix that in with poorly if not corrupt city councils and local officials, who btw effect a lot more than given credit. You then have a breading ground of uneducated, low moral, non guided youth. My stance based on research has always been clean out the local officials, to the core, get these kids who are parent less in school and with mentors, and I bet you see that 13% of the population drop in murder (over 50% total of the entire US) and crime rates.
Yes people have choices and make them daily. It’s not an excuse but guidance from a respected individual can go a long way.
On the local officials again, they literally will do anything to get elected regardless of any morality, it’s all about staying in office. It’s sick.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:38 pm to bamameister
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I define meaningful as in never happening before in the history of Mississippi. Each person can decide for themselves how it applies to them. I suspect the older you are the more symbolic today's gesture would get.
Good points. I agree with you, which is why I stated it depends on how you define meaningful. I have never had someone holding either of those flags bear down on me with a rifle, chain me to the back of a pickup truck and drag me down a highway in TX, or stand by while I'm being shot with a fire hose.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:40 pm to Cobrasize
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I actually think that the confederate flag
I’m not jumping you and this is just frustration, the flag is a battle flag, a guidon, a flag carried into battle that represented a unit or state. Obviously the battle flag of ANV and Tennessee is what everyone associates as the “confederate flag” it’s not and never was an official flag. The Dixiecrats and KKK made it their flag and parts of it for various reasons.
The reason a lot of people fly that flag and honor in a sort is because of the above, it was a battle flag, a lot of men died under it. Americans, by the hundreds of thousands, dead. Some People call all confederates traitors etc. I get it, on the outside looking in that’s easy. However, there is a ton of detail and timeline of events leading to the Civil War that people frankly don’t know and don’t give a shite to know.
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:59 pm to Cobrasize
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A home with two parents that actually “parent” goes a long way. I was raised by a single mother
My parents split because my mother was a junkie. My father died while I was in school, so I was raised by a networks of Aunts. Fortunately, they are a phenomenal group of women that fortified my belief and value systems. Plus, I had a guidance counselor, whom I speak with to this day, that treated me like I was her son. A village can definitely raise a successful child. I have six siblings. Five, of whom, have been to prison.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:05 pm to calgrad
My father killed himself when I was seven, which forced my mother to work two jobs. She did the best that she could do. We were lucky enough to live a couple of blocks from my grandparents, who helped raise me. My guidance counselors sucked. They never gave a damn. I never talked to them all through high school.. my grandfather was a WW2 vet and my grandmother was a German that he married while he was over there. My mom didn’t have the same rules that my grandparents did, but it kept me somewhat in line.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:11 pm to CrimsonBoz
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I’m not jumping you and this is just frustration, the flag is a battle flag, a guidon, a flag carried into battle that represented a unit or state. Obviously the battle flag of ANV and Tennessee is what everyone associates as the “confederate flag” it’s not and never was an official flag. The Dixiecrats and KKK made it their flag and parts of it for various reasons.
I know you aren’t jumping me and I respect your views. I think they mostly align with mine and if they don’t, you don’t attempt to thrust them down people’s throats.
When I was was growing up, I only viewed the Confederate Flag as a symbol that I was Southern. I’m Southern, and I’m damn proud of being Southern.
I wish we could all just create a Southern Flag today and fly it. I don’t believe there are better people anywhere in the world than the South. We have a lot to be proud of, but mostly we should be proud of the way we treat people. It doesn’t have to be the Confederate Flag, but I would sure enough like for black and white and all people to come together and design a Southern flag
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:14 pm to Cobrasize
That would be a sight to see. Although our issues of late are driving the country apart not together unfortunately.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:31 pm to CrimsonBoz
The people that are driving the country apart, will just hunt for different reasons to do it. They know that racism is an issue that will never fully be reconciled, but if it were to be, they would find something else.
There are powerful people and just people who want trouble, that will always hunt for a fissure to exploit.
We have politicians on both sides that would see this country ripped to shreds as long as they benefited. Many, Democrats and Republicans should be arrested and hung tomorrow. I’d hang on the feet of many, to make sure they were dead
There are powerful people and just people who want trouble, that will always hunt for a fissure to exploit.
We have politicians on both sides that would see this country ripped to shreds as long as they benefited. Many, Democrats and Republicans should be arrested and hung tomorrow. I’d hang on the feet of many, to make sure they were dead
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:34 pm to Cobrasize
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I don’t believe there are better people anywhere in the world than the South
I loved growing up on the East Coast, and I would not change anything. However, I still have not had a piece of fish as good as I had at Aunt Jenny's in Ocean Springs or an oyster hero as good as I had after visiting the Audubon Zoo.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:39 pm to 14&Counting
I’m not that old, but I like Skynyrd. Like I said, I was young and only viewed it as a Southern flag. Now I understand that other people find it offensive and I’m fine with removing it. As a kid, I just thought all Southerners used it as a flag that represented them. Youth is wasted on the young
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:44 pm to calgrad
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I loved growing up on the East Coast, and I would not change anything. However, I still have not had a piece of fish as good as I had at Aunt Jenny's in Ocean Springs or an oyster hero as good as I had after visiting the Audubon Zoo.
I’ll be the first to admitting that I’m not very worldly lol. As far North as I have been is North Carolina and as far west as I’ve been is Las Vegas. I just love the South. I love the people, I love the food, and I love nature. I’m sure that I could find that somewhere else, but in my mind, the South has it all better than anyone, and I don’t want that to change.
Saint has been everywhere and I’m sure Boz and Surge have too, so they have a more educated opinion than me.
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 12:00 am to Cobrasize
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I wish we could all just create a Southern Flag today and fly it.
"When my eyes shall be turned for the last time on the meridian sun, I hope I may see him shining brightly upon my united, free and happy Country. I hope I shall not live to see his beams falling upon the dispersed fragments of the structure of this once glorious Union. I hope that I may not see the flag of my Country, with its stars separated or obliterated, torn by commotion, smoking with the blood of civil war. I hope I may not see the standard raised of separate State rights, star against star, and stripe against stripe; but that the flag of the Union may keep its stars and its stripes corded and bound together in indissoluble ties. I hope I shall not see written, as its motto, first Liberty, and then Union. I hope I shall see no such delusion and deluded motto on the flag of that Country. I hope to see spread all over it, blazoned in letters of light, and proudly floating over Land and Sea that other sentiment, dear to my heart, “Union and Liberty, now and forever, one and inseparable!”
- Daniel Webster, former Secretary of State, Republican and Federalist.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 12:02 am to stomp
That’s great, I’d still like a flag for EVERYONE in the South that wasn’t offensive.
Why have state flags if we are going by those rules?
Why have state flags if we are going by those rules?
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 12:03 am
Posted on 6/29/20 at 12:20 am to Cobrasize
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far west as I’ve been is Las Vegas.
I own property in Lake Las Vegas. It's like living in a blow dryer. California, outside of the taxes, is a great place to live. I'm 20 minutes from the Pacific, 1 hour from taking out the KTMs, 1 hour from Santa Barbara, 25 minutes from wineries, and 1.5 hours from some great crabbing and fishing. If I'm really lucky, I can pour myself a glass of JW Blue, and watch the damn wildfires that we continually get.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 12:28 am to calgrad
Buddy, I admire the fact that you have places to ride. I love riding dirt bikes and ATVs and around here, you just don’t have a place. I watch videos on YouTube all of the time, and the best ones are out west.. my neighbors (they are black for what ever reason it matters) let their son ride in their back yard and I often just sit and watch because I enjoy it so much. My neighbors are great parents
Posted on 6/29/20 at 6:17 am to stomp
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Question.
What does the violence level in black communities have to be in order for black people to address black people dying at the hands of the police?
Well I guess when they stop killing each other hundreds of times over vs police would be a great starting point I would feel. Just this past week in Chicago alone, 24 were killed and over 100 shot and wounded. That's in ONE city in ONE week. But police are the problem? Gimme a fricking break.
Minneapolis was awful. No way should that have happened. Period. No excuses. And that officer is currently in jail with significant charges and will never see freedom again. Other officers on scene were charged as well. I think all of that is right and just. I literally haven't heard anyone say otherwise.
So why isn't black on black violence an issue BLM wants to address? That absolutely undermines their message. "Our lives only matter when a white officer kills one of us, but we can kill each other indescriminately". Hmmm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 8:09 am to Lucky_Stryke
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Black Socialists in America
@BlackSocialists
We don’t want Black landlords and Black bosses.
We want to abolish private property and the capitalist system.
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