re: Alabama Basketball Megathread | 26-7 (16-2)

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I agree with you. The name calling and personal insults in this thread during games is pretty cringe. People are dogging Herb when he’s out there with a back injury that’d make most of us call-in to work and lay on the couch all day watching Netflix.

Pat Bradley just did a pretty good breakdown of our offensive issues on SECN. Basically, good Alabama is a guy getting to the paint, dishing to an open player, making the extra pass, then taking advantage of mismatches and getting an open look, whether it’s a 2 or a 3.

Bad Alabama is driving to the paint and trying to force a shot in a bad situation. The poor efficiency at the rim isn’t because the guys just suck... it’s because they’re taking shots they shouldn’t. If it’s not open, we need to make better decisions and get back to moving the ball. I know Oats wants to go fast, but it’s not a terrible option to reset the offense and reinitiate the drive if nothing is there. Make them defend it again before you force something that isn’t there.

Honestly, it feels like an easy issue to correct. I know we’re hurting right now, but turnovers in the paint, blocked shots, missed layups... a lot of that stuff could be fixed by the guys we already have. Shack seems to be the worst perpetrator right now. I feel like he missed at least 5 shots at the rim tonight where a pass would have been a better option.

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Shack seems to be the worst perpetrator right now. I feel like he missed at least 5 shots at the rim tonight where a pass would have been a better option

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Shack was 3/6 on 2pt shots tonight and was 4/4 on FTs when he got fouled driving. So no he didn’t miss 5 shots at the rim. And he only had 1 turnover.

We have box scores, guys. We don’t have to guess at these things.

Herb was 0-6 on 2pt shots. He had a horrible game offensively except for his team high 7 assists. The rest of the team combined for 9 assists, so Herb’s offensive contribution was still important.

Petty was 4/5.
Primo was 0/2.
Ellis was 1/2.
Quinerly was 2/3.
Reese was 2/4.
Rojas was 1/4.

We were 14/34 as a team. 41.2%

The team not counting Herb’s 0/6 effort was 14/28 - 50%, so about where you want to be.

Herb’s bad night just made it seem worse than it was from everyone else.

Herbs offensive rating the last 3 games:

LSU: 72
Mizzou: 78
South Carolina:70


PLEASE GET HEALTHY

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Your I'm a better fan than you because I don't get pissed off during games shtick is getting tiresome. You come in here just to tell everyone that they're shitty fans.

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You are missing the point completely. First I could not care less about saying I'm a better poster - means nothing to me; secondly, I'm not talking about criticism such as the criticism that you have offered, some of which I have upvoted. It's the contempt and insults leveled at players primarily and occasionally Coach Oats. IMO, it is out of line. I have no authority and pretend none, but I have freedom of speech as well, and have used it to point out how inappropriate it is IMO.

If posters pour contempt and cast insults on the players, I have no problem critiquing their posting with far more reasonable language than they use. Though really this is only the second time I've done it. All while some have heaped contempt and insults on kids trying their best and working with some real temporary disadvantages and overall doing a great job.

It's always interesting that the critics don't like being critiqued. In some cases it may be their consciences, dogging teenagers and 20 y/o's, who have no real opportunity to respond, for pouring out their hearts on the floor at least partly for their fans, a handful of whom are treating them like dogs. Coach Oats has already agreed with this sentiment.

And please don't come back with "I can criticize". That is not what I'm talking about - it is the contempt and insults, i.e., the manner in which it is done. Plus it poisons the atmosphere for many on here who enjoy the board usually but don't want to listen to garbage.

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I wouldn’t mind seeing him take a week or two off to really get healthy.

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I certainly think he should sit the conference tourney if he isn’t 100% by then.

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I certainly think he should sit the conference tourney if he isn’t 100% by then.

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It sounds like he's getting better per Oats, he's just not to the point where he can practice. It may be something where playing games doesn't slow down his recovery. Either way, he needs to get back to practice ASAP. His play had eroded over the last 2 weeks and it clearly has a lot to do with not practicing any. His offensive game has improved so much, but it's still the type of game that teeters on the edge if the reps aren't there. Recently he's basically devolved to Freshman Herb with a better 3PT and FT stroke.

So, whatever they need to do to get him reps to get back to feeling comfortable and in sync by the 1st of March is what they need to do.

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certainly think he should sit the conference tourney if he isn’t 100% by then.

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I wonder how the Gary injury effects the willingness to sit Herb?

Either at the end of the game or immediately after, they showed video of Herb. He looked bad; in pain. He looked zombie like in his face. I feel for the guy and appreciate him trying to contribute through it all. But the guy should rest.

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I don’t think anyone here criticizes Oats. We all love him.

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I don't have a problem criticizing Oats at all - in fact, I still say he doesn't know when to call timeouts to stop a run. Hell, Bobby Knight, Coach K, Dean Smith ... all the greats have done this yet he continues to NEVER do this. That is my only gripe with him.