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Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:14 am to Robot Santa
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:14 am to Robot Santa
Yes. CO mentioned that as well. He asked, “will we fold because of this, or will we regroup and press on?”
I do have some lingering concerns about Petty’s mental toughness and commitment to the team and winning. Herb will show back up more driven. His drive and refusal to quit will help the younger guys. Reese will give great effort, but his confidence in his shot is gone. Primo and Ellis are young guys who will listen to Herb and seek to bounce back. Their confidence is also good. Shackelford will hopefully come back with purpose. I am afraid that Quinnerly is just in a panic. I don’t know if he will be able confidence wise to really be effective for us this year. Hopefully he just has a physical condition that is hampering him. Some of the other guys are physically down as well. Rojas for one. Don’t k ow where Gary has been. Bruner will likely be a huge help from the perspective of keeping people calm and steady on court. Herb can only do so much.
I do have some lingering concerns about Petty’s mental toughness and commitment to the team and winning. Herb will show back up more driven. His drive and refusal to quit will help the younger guys. Reese will give great effort, but his confidence in his shot is gone. Primo and Ellis are young guys who will listen to Herb and seek to bounce back. Their confidence is also good. Shackelford will hopefully come back with purpose. I am afraid that Quinnerly is just in a panic. I don’t know if he will be able confidence wise to really be effective for us this year. Hopefully he just has a physical condition that is hampering him. Some of the other guys are physically down as well. Rojas for one. Don’t k ow where Gary has been. Bruner will likely be a huge help from the perspective of keeping people calm and steady on court. Herb can only do so much.
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Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:21 am to LovetheLord
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I do have some lingering concerns about Petty’s mental toughness and commitment to the team and winning
sort of harsh imo. We've won 10 out of 11 and are in the top 10.
Commitment seems pretty good to me.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:38 am to McGregor
I am not arguing that we haven’t won a lot of games and reached a high ranking. Certainly I hope that we continue to excel. I hope that JP is also motivated by the loss to come back with a fighter’s spirit.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:49 am to McGregor
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sort of harsh imo. We've won 10 out of 11 and are in the top 10.
Commitment seems pretty good to me.
It's such a tired argument too. If you still think Petty is lazy, selfish, etc. at this point then you have a personal issue with him for some inexplicable reason.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:54 am to Robot Santa
I think it's more along the lines that Petty doesn't move much on the offensive side. Which may be by design. Though imo you want to have one of your best shooters working to get open.
He does move around and get rebounds when the ball is shot however.
He does move around and get rebounds when the ball is shot however.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:09 am to Robot Santa
none of them play lazy or anything like that, but teams are playing us differently now, so we have to adjust to that. As long as he and the other dont get frustrated, we can win the SEC. That should be the first goal.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:09 am to CrimsonFever
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Thanks, that's cheaper than Sling I will check it out.I think Sling is 30 a month.
If you have a laptop or pc. Just stream it and connect it with hdmi to your tv. Y'all are just throwing away money at this point.
Also can use your phone and cast to tv.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 9:11 am
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:18 am to BFANLC
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I think it's more along the lines that Petty doesn't move much on the offensive side. Which may be by design. Though imo you want to have one of your best shooters working to get open.
Nah. It's because we have a fanbase that is mostly basketball ignorant, knows that Petty was a 5* recruit, and assumes he must be selfish or not committed to basketball if he's still in school as a senior.
Also, motion for the sake of motion is totally pointless. Simply running around trying to lose your defender is not an effective means of creating an open look. Off ball motion in basketball is almost always done in conjunction with the ball moving around itself. Petty running back and forth across the baseline while Herb dribbles at the top of the key isn't going to accomplish anything.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:21 am to BFANLC
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think it's more along the lines that Petty doesn't move much on the offensive side. Which may be by design. Though imo you want to have one of your best shooters working to get open.
This is my only gripe with him . Other than that he's been fantastic.
Like you said a shooter works to get shots. Could you imagine ray allen being so stagnant and putting up the numbers he did? Would be impossible.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:38 am to Robot Santa
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Off ball motion in basketball is almost always done in conjunction with the ball moving around itself. Petty running back and forth across the baseline while Herb dribbles at the top of the key isn't going to accomplish anything.
Yes and no. While pg is dribbling at the top of the key ..Off ball screens and having a guy chase can set up open looks while either confusing the defender and leaving him trailing, stuck in the screen completely, or a bad switch and a easy layup or shot.
This can only happen if this is designed and you have a guy who actively looks to get open..it takes effort. Just as rebounding do
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 9:39 am
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:40 am to LovetheLord
quote:John Petty plays soft, for the most part. It's rare that you see him on the floor after a ball, or aggressively fight for a rebound. Some players just don't have that toughness, and it's damn near impossible to change their nature long term.
I am not arguing that we haven’t won a lot of games and reached a high ranking. Certainly I hope that we continue to excel. I hope that JP is also motivated by the loss to come back with a fighter’s spirit.
PS- That's what'll kill him if/when he goes to the league. Those guys'll plant him in the V.I.P. seats.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:54 am to solus
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Yes and no. While pg is dribbling at the top of the key ..Off ball screens and having a guy chase can set up open looks while either confusing the defender and leaving him trailing, stuck in the screen completely, or a bad switch and a easy layup or shot.
This can only happen if this is designed and you have a guy who actively looks to get open
If a play is designed to spring a player for a corner 3 with an off ball screen along the baseline then the player intended to take the shot isn't "looking to get open" by making the cut. He's just participating in that particular play design. That is why this random "oh he doesn't move enough so he's not working hard" thing is so silly. Basketball is a team sport. If Petty is just running around aimlessly trying to shake a defender outside of the structure of the play being run, he isn't accomplishing anything other than making Gumps think that he's playing hard. Imagine if the football team had a WR who had a habit of running a route instead of run blocking on a designed run play because he thought the coverage was favorable to him. He'd get benched after the first one and probably never be heard from again after the second. Same goes for Petty. If he was supposed to be out there making runs off of screens and he wasn't, Oats would pull him. If he was out there running himself out of the play or running defenders into it for no particular reason, Oats would pull him. But aside from the random thing between him and Rojas at the end of OOC play, Oats has pulled him from a game over performance like one time all season and that was when he fricked up on defense.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:54 am to coachcrisp
I dont see that. He is our number 2 rebounder (about 30 ahead of Reese which is absurd) and I think he plays hard on defense. He just needs to keep the effort up when he isnt scoring much.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 9:55 am
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:57 am to IB4bama
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If Petty is just running around aimlessly trying to shake a defender outside of the structure of the play being run, he isn't accomplishing anything other than making Gumps think that he's playing hard.
making a defender chase is absolutely accomplishing something
You have never played basketball.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 10:23 am to McGregor
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making a defender chase is absolutely accomplishing something
You have never played basketball.
I don't think you understood his post. He runs around when the play is designed for him to run around. He doesn't run around and frick up the spacing for whatever they're trying to do when he's not supposed to.
It's difficult for me to understand how anyone could think that Petty is a problem. He may be the best player on the team, and that's including everyone's favorite Herb Jones. And I love Herb.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 10:31 am to Robot Santa
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Nah. It's because we have a fanbase that is mostly basketball ignorant,
I disagree with this opening statement so much...
The majority of our basketball fans know a shite ton about basketball. Now, I can see that changing as we continue to win and the band wagon overflows, but the fans we have now are some of the most dedicated and knowledgeable in the SEC.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 10:33 am
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:16 am to Robot Santa
I don’t have a personal problem with Petty. However, I know that he still had to have an attitude adjustment early this year from coach. That shouldn’t be happening with a senior. After that adjustment, he started playing better as did the whole team. I also know that there are times when his confidence in his shot gets skunk belly low. So, I worry a bit about that.
Now, while I don’t know all of the particulars about the incident and the resulting suspension, including his decision to return home for a while, it does cause me some concern.
Petty has played some pretty good defense lately. I hope that he continues to hustle, play hard and be aggressive.
I also appreciate that when JP is on, he is devastating. He also is one of the most prolific 3 point shooters in the conference, so it’s not like he sucks.
Now, while I don’t know all of the particulars about the incident and the resulting suspension, including his decision to return home for a while, it does cause me some concern.
Petty has played some pretty good defense lately. I hope that he continues to hustle, play hard and be aggressive.
I also appreciate that when JP is on, he is devastating. He also is one of the most prolific 3 point shooters in the conference, so it’s not like he sucks.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:20 am to Teague
quote:I'm not saying that Petty is a problem. I'm saying that he's not naturally aggressive. He gets rebounds because he's usually guarded by a shorter guard, but when a ball is loose on the floor, you rarely see him involved in the "dirty work", or when a rebound is in the middle of a bunch of guys, he'll often stop and watch.
It's difficult for me to understand how anyone could think that Petty is a problem.
Some guys like Jones will do whatever it takes without thinking, and some guys just don't have that psychological makeup....my comment isn't meant to criticize, but to categorize.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:37 pm to coachcrisp
The fact that Petty is our number 2 rebounder and Shack is number 3, is all you need to know about --------
I'll stop.
I'll stop.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:39 pm to IB4bama
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I dont see that. He is our number 2 rebounder (about 30 ahead of Reese which is absurd) and I think he plays hard on defense.
Petty, to me, is the exact example of the kind of growth you want to see in players over a college career. Players that give his range of contributions are the reason you see the Top 10-15 usually pretty filled with 3-4 year players.
I can pinpoint the exact game where Petty finally seemed to get that winning basketball games at this level often comes down to which great shooters/scorers make the most effort plays.
It was at Miss St in Avery Johnson's last year.
Since that game I've had no issue at all with Petty's "hard hat" play.
He's always willing to guard the best opposition scorer with 100% effort. Oats has even mentioned Petty asking him if he can guard a hot player.
I've also lost count of the times it's Petty that comes out of a 6 player scramble with a crucial late game rebound.
One announcer interchange I remember from the recent LSU game:
"and that's your All-SEC shooting guard diving for an out of bounds loose ball with a 37 point lead"
"tells you all you need to know"
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