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re: Alabama Baseball 41-18 (16-14) 2024-25

Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:47 pm to
Posted by Bear88
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:47 pm to
Times change . Kids are bigger , faster these days in all sports . Training technology is so much better than when I played . Hell they didn’t even want pitchers doing a lot of upper body stuff back in the day . Now , they are huge . But ,my point was you can still have mechanics to limit the strain on the arm but you just see guys flying open and falling off arm side trying to maximize velocity . You can usually spot the pitchers who throw “ easy” velocity and those headed for Tommy John surgery
Posted by Freight Joker
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 11:13 pm to
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I’m obviously a Maddux fan if you couldn’t tell from my username (and Glavin), but those type of pitchers would not be nearly as successful in today’s game given the reduced strike zone and advancements in hitting, analytics, etc


I’ve been arguing about pitching with a guy that thinks Greg Maddux would not be “nearly as successful in today’s game” because he only threw 89-91.

Frick me to tears.
This post was edited on 6/1/25 at 11:16 pm
Posted by Kashmir
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 11:49 pm to
Lsu running out BP guys 95+ and can’t find the zone. Eleven walks to Little Rock. Johnson would probably take a 92 with control tonight.
Posted by LovetheLord
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 5:55 am to
Yes, Bear. Today they can basically build you a 90 mph fastball if you have the money and the will. Case in point, Trevor Bauer is one of the least athletic guys out there, but through years of bio-mechanical work he became an upper 90s guy. I will say that the good facilities, like Tred Athletics are going to also help to take care of the arm.

Most of your elite pitchers today have spent hours working with a biomechanics coach, either in high school, or during a summer in college. The good programs also use tracman to analyze spin rates to help bring precision to secondary pitch development. They also are able to work with guys on mental stuff. These are all things that a team coach with 20 pitchers on roster has neither time or ability to do. Granted they do much of these things, but not like private coaching.

If I am a coach, I am telling guys not to go to the Cape in the summer, but to get individualized training. It will do everyone more good.

You probably know all this already though. You are clearly a guy who knows the game.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 7:08 am to
Eh, I’d argue that part of the problem is guys spend too much time with a heavy ball in their hand trying to throw it as hard as they can at a net - accuracy he damned. This goes for Tread, too. Guys don’t spend enough time with an actual baseball in their hand figuring out how to get a hitter out. But like I said earlier, that’s what the pros want and guys are going to follow suit.
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 7:09 am
Posted by Alabama_Fan
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 7:21 am to
Posted by LovetheLord
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 7:55 am to
quote:

Eh, I’d argue that part of the problem is guys spend too much time with a heavy ball in their hand trying to throw it as hard as they can at a net - accuracy he damned. This goes for Tread, too. Guys don’t spend enough time with an actual baseball in their hand figuring out how to get a hitter out. But like I said earlier, that’s what the pros want and guys are going to follow suit.


I can definitely appreciate your opinion. I do like the way they and others apply analytics to spin and movement, thereby helping guys improve secondary pitches.

I do wonder if we won’t see the MLB average for fastball velocity drop a bit due to folks looking to get more movement on pitches and get people out earlier. The Miami starter, in many ways seems to be ideal. He had enough velocity to speed up the bat, but could drop the slider about wherever he wanted it.
Posted by Granola
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 7:57 am to
MSU officially hires OConner from Virginia. Solid hire
Posted by Granola
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 8:01 am to
SEC just got tougher
Posted by cdur86
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 9:10 am to
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SEC just got tougher


They could hire Greg Goff and still beat us 2 out of 3 so this doesn't move the needle for me
Posted by Alabama_Fan
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 3:42 pm to
Posted by Freight Joker
Member since Aug 2019
3569 posts
Posted on 6/2/25 at 5:09 pm to
Here’s my take on the year. These stats are conference only.

Offense D-
161 Runs 14th
.240 BA 14th
We padded our stats with the cupcakes. Stunk against a pitcher with a pulse. No imagination. Very few strategic moves. Constantly unable to advance/score guys at 1st and 2nd with no outs. Poor ABs in crucial situations game after game. Late inning production virtually non existent. We only scored 12 runs in innings 7-9 the final four conference series combined. You do the math on that.

Starting pitching D+
Quick 4.20 ERA
Adam’s 5.83 ERA
Fay 6.60 ERA

It was so bad we had to move Fay from the bullpen and throw him into our Friday night role. None of these guys could routinely complete 5 whole innings of baseball. We started most of our conference games from behind due to early inning bombs and ultimately not being ready to play.

169 ER 12th
6.03 ERA 13th
293 hits 14th
.291 OBA 14th

Bullpen C
I would have probably had C+/B- had you asked before the Vandy series. Myers, Oz and Heiberger absorbed most of the innings here.

Hagan Banks was good but got knocked around by Vandy and UGA pretty good.

I expected a lot more from Austin Morris this season.

Blackwood and Alcock had some good moments early in the year but were pretty much useless the back 75% of conference play.

The rest pretty much stunk or were hurt. There was some youth mixed in there.

Jason Jackson F
Alabama didn’t have two SEC quality starters on the roster this year, at least statistically. That’s his fault.

Quick might’ve been the only starter good enough to make a weekend rotation on over half the teams. As good as he is, JJ couldn’t get him into the 6th inning more times than not.

You have to ask yourself were our pitchers really that bad or did JJ just not know how to develop/use them? We had some explosive arms in the pen that this board loves that he could not get any production from.

Situational pitching was not even on his radar. 0-2 pitches getting ripped for doubles and homeruns every weekend. That’s on him.

Giving up two-out rippers to a guy batting .330 when there’s a guy on deck batting .093 against lefties. shite like that constantly.

Or not pitching around somebody when you have a base open and an easier out on deck.

We had to reinvent a weekend rotation to accommodate his incompetence.

There was ZERO situational substitutions during the game. No bringing in Matt or Lehman just to get ONE OUT against a left handed batter.

I personally think his pitch calling sucks but that’s just me.

Rendered Oz useless in the final stretch when we needed him most. There were very few reasons to use Oz midweek other than to replace midweek bullpen work. He threw too many midweek games. Some of them multi-inning games. He was asked too much and too often to throw multiple innings. There’s a reason why closers in the big leagues don’t do this.

JJs been here now 8 years (7 counting covid). We had one good year with him.

Vaughn A-
First 40 win season since 2002 is enough alone for an A, but when you dig deeper into our stats you will see he made chicken salad out of chicken shite in his year two.

We still were good enough to make it out of that regional and that brings his grade from an A to A-

He has to figure out a better offense in 2026.

He gave JJ 100% of the pitching decision responsibilities. I hope he dials that back next year with hopefully a different pitching coach.
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 5:28 pm
Posted by Alabama_Fan
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 8:19 pm to
Can’t really argue with that assessment.

Posted by Freight Joker
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 8:58 pm to
I could have kept going but it was already a novel and I’m on my phone.

Hopefully it clears the air a little bit.

Probably wont.
Posted by Alabama_Fan
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 9:22 pm to
I’m trying (with mixed results) to focus on the best regular season in 20 years part. It was a fun year that exceeded preseason expectations and even with the frustrating parts, I had a great time.

It’s good (in some regards) to even have a post season to be disappointed with. So many times we went without.

But watching the rest of these games unfold… knowing if we had just taken care of business…. the opportunity was oh so near. And yet, still seems oh so far.

(insert primal scream here)
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
15329 posts
Posted on 6/2/25 at 9:38 pm to
I can’t argue with your points although it’s hard to see how a D or D+ baseball team won 40 games and was over .500 in league play. Could haggle with your grading I guess but your points are definitely fair.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 9:42 pm to
quote:

But watching the rest of these games unfold… knowing if we had just taken care of business…. the opportunity was oh so near. And yet, still seems oh so far.


Yep. Take care of business in arguably the easiest regional we could have gotten and we're hosting a Super Regional with Vandy losing.
Posted by Freight Joker
Member since Aug 2019
3569 posts
Posted on 6/2/25 at 10:01 pm to
quote:

I can’t argue with your points although it’s hard to see how a D or D+ baseball team won 40 games and was over .500 in league play. Could haggle with your grading I guess but your points are definitely fair.


That’s what’s so friggin hard to figure out. On paper, we were a hair better than USC and Missouri in conference play. Somehow scrapped together 16 wins.

6 of them being against TAMU (when they forgot how to baseball) and Missouri.
Posted by UAgrad93
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Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 11:53 pm to
You nailed it! Yet there will be people on here that won’t accept the fact that JJ isn’t a very good pitching coach, but they will overlook that for the ‘23 season run we had to the Supers. From calling pitches, 0-2 counts for extra base hits, over-working guys like Meyers and Ozmer in midweek games then wondering why neither performed well down the stretch. Big decision for Vaughn coming up. Due you keep JJ and tighten the reigns on him or cut him loose and move to someone else.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
5137 posts
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:29 am to
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Rendered Oz useless in the final stretch when we needed him most. There were very few reasons to use Oz midweek other than to replace midweek bullpen work. He threw too many midweek games. Some of them multi-inning games. He was asked too much and too often to throw multiple innings. There’s a reason why closers in the big leagues don’t do this.


You just said a guy that struggles to throw 90+mph should be used the same way guys that throw 98-102mph in the big leagues are used? Wow…this is wrong on multiple fronts.

1) Oz isn’t a power pitcher, at all. Why would our staff use him like a power pitcher when he isn’t one??? They should be fired if they did that.
2) MLB closers pitch multiple times a week all the time. Even if they don’t go multi-innings, they often throw in back to back games or even 3-5 times a week (sometimes they’ll pitch 3 days in a row before getting a day off in a highly competitive series). This is all done over a 162 game season with 5-6 games per week (rather than ~60 game season with 3-4 per week).
3) MLB non-power relievers pitch multi-innings multiple times a week quite often and once again, that’s over a 162 game season. Oz will be fortunate if he’s good enough to find a role like this, as he is no where near an MLB closer arm (let alone a setup guy). If he can’t handle multi-innings multiple times a week, he might want to make sure he’s focusing on those classes he’s taking so he can be a good Tuscaloosa businessman one day.

Your analysis once again shows impeccable baseball knowledge.
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