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re: Alabama adds Western Carolina to already terrible 2019 schedule

Posted on 3/22/18 at 7:21 am to
Posted by TideSaint
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 7:21 am to
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They love us right now, and pay us a shitload of money to play in the neutral site games every year.


Posted by Mobtro
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 12:15 pm to
I'm fine with playing Western Carolina late in the season, and okay with opening with Duke at a neutral...not much we can do about that setup. I do have a problem with New Mexico State week 2. We need a P5 in that slot.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 12:26 pm to
Yea, I mean, it's a sliding scale

If you play Florida State/Clemson/USC week 1 then I can live with 2 mid-majors and a 1AA. It's not my favorite, but I get it.

However, if your week 1 game is a blah P5 team you better balance that out with at least 1 other P5 team. You can't go from Top 5 game week 1 to 6-6 team week 1 and then not adjust the other 3 games.
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 1:57 pm to
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For example, ESPN paid us an extra million for USC in exchange for us keeping 2020 open for Dallas, and also included a promise that we will receive a minimum of $1 million more than whoever they find to play us in that game. They love us right now, and pay us a shitload of money to play in the neutral site games every year.


This may be great for the program's coffers but I think it is going to be at the cost of an inferior opponent and a sub-par match-up. Why would a name program like SoCal or Michigan agree to take $1MM less than Bama? It's kind of an insulting offer from their perspective because another blue blood can draw as well. We wound up with Duke and I suspect we will wind with someone like that for Dallas.
This post was edited on 3/22/18 at 1:58 pm
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 3:09 pm to
I get reputation and pride may be a factor but why would the money thing matter to another school if the number is right? Hypothetically, If I'm getting 5 million and you are getting 4 mil and that is 2 million more than you could get anywhere else, why would you care? I've never heard anybody say, "Did you hear Tech got a million less than State for the neutral site game. They a long way away from being a top tier program again."
This post was edited on 3/22/18 at 3:21 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 4:05 pm to
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get reputation and pride may be a factor but why would the money thing matter to another school if the number is right? Hypothetically, If I'm getting 5 million and you are getting 4 mil and that is 2 million more than you could get anywhere else, why would you care?


It may make sense to some schools and I know Bama has committed early so we should get compensated for that.....but a top tier program like USC, Michigan, or Texas isn't going to look favorably on taking $1MM less than Bama. It's like: "We have a huge fanbase that travels, a national brand like Bama, we draw eyeballs to the TV, the game will sell tons of ad dollars, our fans will help sell out AT&T, its a matchup that everyone will be talking about so why should we take a million less than Alabama? We aren't some 2nd tier wanna-be program? It cheapens our brand and not to mention we are probably going to lose to Saban so we should get paid too.......I suspect in Dallas we wind up with a TCU or maybe a Nebraska or some Pac12 meh team like UCLA or Oregon......
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 4:30 pm to
I get your point but it is a hard sell to me. USC got paid a "similiar amount" for their neutral site game with us so it was probably less, maybe not a million less, but less.

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I don't see Texas because of their their ego or Ohio State cause they are the other huge brand currently. Other than that I can't see another school turning down 5.5 mil because it isn't 6.5 mil and they have a "reputation" to uphold. Hey I've been wrong before though.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 7:30 am
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 5:01 pm to
You are probably right but I guess it’s a question is who wants that cash and who is willing to square up against Bama to start the season. It’s sort of like a prize fight. Bama ( the Champ) will be at AT&T Labor Day weekend ready to play a game. We are committed to be there ready to go so who wants some? Because we committed and because we are the marquee name in football, we should get paid for that......my point was other marquee names may not be that hungry for the payday knowing they are almost certainly guaranteed a loss as they have playoff aspirations themselves and don’t necessarily need a big payday. Their AD would have to weigh the merits of taking the game because it is a shitload of money.
This post was edited on 3/22/18 at 5:03 pm
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 5:20 pm to
I agree with you. No AD who is at a school with a prospect at making the playoff should even consider that game against us in Dallas. It makes your margin of error extremely small for the rest of the year if you get blown out. That definitely isn't worth the payout for them. I have a feeling a Wisconsin/Virgina Tech type opponent is waiting for us in 2020.
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 5:46 pm to
I was at the Wisconsin game a couple of years ago and it was lame af. Whisky didn’t come close to selling their allotment and the entire upper deck on the Whisky side was empty as was most of the end zone seating. Now they just played LSU there the year before so it was dumb to reschedule them.

USC and Michigan games were off the chain crazy fun and even though they ended up getting run off the field their fans reperesented big time. USC at least during the first half was one of the loudest games I have heard in awhile.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 7:44 pm to
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Why would a name program like SoCal or Michigan agree to take $1MM less than Bama? It's kind of an insulting offer from their perspective because another blue blood can draw as well.


USC already did it once under those circumstances. It's the real world, and they know they aren't in as much demand, but the game paid more than they would have made even for a home game and promised them the opening day spotlight.

I think our biggest problem is that we haven't lost one of them yet. No one with playoff aspirations wants to risk an opening day loss. I'm a little worried about 2020, too. That game's 18 months away and we would never find a P5 team to come to Tuscaloosa in that short a window if ESPN can't come up with a good opponent. (Unless Byrne has something up his sleeve)

Someone else said Minnesota and Northwestern are the leading candidates. Not ideal, but we owe Minnesota revenge.

ETA - I may be wrong about the terms for Dallas. I'm certain we are guaranteed a minimum of more than $1 million for the upcoming game. I'm not 100% certain about the initial bonus for the USC year, but I'm pretty sure that's what I read in the article about it.
This post was edited on 3/22/18 at 7:48 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 10:32 pm to
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Someone else said Minnesota and Northwestern are the leading candidates.




The team I think would be interesting (and I keep harping on it for 2020) could be Nebraska. We haven't played them since the 1970's and they have a loyal and passionate fanbase that could easily get to Dallas. They could use the exposure and money and taking a pounding from Bama wouldn't be the end of their world. I also think Frost is a good coach. I know its not your daddy's Nebraska but could be interesting. We probably wind up with a TCU, UCLA, or Oregon.
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 10:38 pm to
I am a fan of the match-up but Frost is a dick. I also agree he is a good coach though.
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 11:28 pm to
What about Penn State? Seems like they might go for it.
This post was edited on 3/22/18 at 11:31 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 11:36 pm to
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What about Penn State? Seems like they might go for it.


Wasn't there some chatter about another home and home with them? I believe PSU was talking it up....and they are pretty good now.....I mean that would be one where we should take it.

I say go for it......LOT of history with those guys.....
This post was edited on 3/22/18 at 11:44 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 7:08 am to
I meant Penn State as a potential 2020 neutral site (Dallas) opponent.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 7:27 am
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 7:28 am to
Penn State 2020 schedule is already set. The Big 10 have thier schedules locked in years in advance.
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 7:30 am to
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.I suspect in Dallas we wind up with a TCU or maybe a Nebraska or some Pac12 meh team like UCLA or Oregon......

With Chip Kelly as HC, UCLA should be much improved by 2020. And iirc, they're spending big on facilities upgrades, and Kelly's contract is backloaded due to supplemental NFL buyout money that may be done by then. So UCLA may want the $5M-ish extra profit they'd get from it.

Washington might be interested. They're coming all the way to Atlanta to play Auburn this year. Iirc they played LSU fairly recently too.

USC and Stanford both play Notre Dame every year, as well as 9 conference games and possibly the PAC12 CG, so they probably aren't interested.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 8:01 am
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
12223 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:09 am to
There is only a few power 5 teams that don't have a game already scheduled that opening weekend in 2020.

OU is open, but play Tennessee the 2nd weekend, so that's not likely.

Minnesota and Syracuse still have open dates with no power 5 teams in the schedule.

Not looking like a great opponent will be scheduled in 2020.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:12 am to
Where do you go to find that info?
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