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Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:11 pm to Bear88
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:11 pm to Bear88
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Only problem o see with that is the tradition and bowls doesnt mean much to these kids nowadays … hate to say it but prolly going to see more and more “opt outs”
Since 1992, only one bowl game has truly mattered.
It’s a lazy argument to suggest that the playoff has killed the other bowls.
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Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:42 pm to SECFan413
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Since 1992, only one bowl game has truly mattered.
What does mattered mean? As far as I’m concerned any game the fans and players care about matters, and prior to the playoff, fans and players definitely cared about bowl games. Did you not care about the Iron Bowl when neither team was a national championship contender?
If your opinion is that only games that determine the national champion matter, then 95+% of games don’t matter regardless of the system.
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It’s a lazy argument to suggest that the playoff has killed the other bowls.
For close to 100 years no one quit on their team before a bowl game. About 3 years into the playoff system it became the norm.
That seems like a pretty big coincidence.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:45 pm to TomRollTideRitter
12-Team Playoff Proposed by College Football Playoff Working Group (SI)
Is Bigger Playoff Field Better? (BOL)
Kirk Herbstreit in support of 12-team playoff proposal (247)
Is Bigger Playoff Field Better? (BOL)
Kirk Herbstreit in support of 12-team playoff proposal (247)
This post was edited on 6/11/21 at 7:50 am
Posted on 6/11/21 at 4:38 am to SECFan413
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Since 1992, only one bowl game has truly mattered.
It’s a lazy argument to suggest that the playoff has killed the other bowls.
I strongly disagree. I became aware of Alabama Football in the late-90s and was super excited (along with my father) to see our favorite team win the SEC and make it to the Orange Bowl in 1999. Even if it wasn't the national championship, making a BCS bowl was a big deal at that time. Because back then it wasn't "national championship or bust." The networks still talked about other teams who weren't in the national title picture. We all understood that Florida State vs. Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl was for all the marbles, but ESPN and other networks still put a lot of emphasis on the other "big" bowl games - not just the BCS.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 7:25 am to TomRollTideRitter
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What does mattered mean? As far as I’m concerned any game the fans and players care about matters, and prior to the playoff, fans and players definitely cared about bowl games. Did you not care about the Iron Bowl when neither team was a national championship contender?
If your opinion is that only games that determine the national champion matter, then 95+% of games don’t matter regardless of the system.
That’s literally the argument folks make for why people have lost interest in bowls. Not sure what you’re point is.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 7:31 am to RollTide1987
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The networks still talked about other teams who weren't in the national title picture. We all understood that Florida State vs. Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl was for all the marbles, but ESPN and other networks still put a lot of emphasis on the other "big" bowl games - not just the BCS.
So if ESPN paid more attention to the Outback Bowl guys wouldn’t opt out?
You were excited for Bama to make the Orange Bowl because up til then it had been several years since Bama had been truly relevant. It wouldn’t have mattered who had said what. USC, Nebraska, UT, etc. fans wouid be in the same boat if their team was achieving the same.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 7:51 am to TomRollTideRitter
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For close to 100 years no one quit on their team before a bowl game. About 3 years into the playoff system it became the norm.
That seems like a pretty big coincidence.
Yep. That's why I wouldn't have a problem with just scrapping all of it. But like I said before, I'm not sure there's any path back at this point. I just hate that a system has been created where kids at a program like UNC sit out of the fricking Orange Bowl even though it was the first major bowl game they had been to in 70 years.
This post was edited on 6/11/21 at 7:52 am
Posted on 6/11/21 at 8:14 am to TomRollTideRitter
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For close to 100 years no one quit on their team before a bowl game. About 3 years into the playoff system it became the norm.
That seems like a pretty big coincidence.
It is a coincidence. It just so happens that it took this long for players to realize that it's smarter to sit out once they had their draft placement sown up. Stop playing games, start practicing for the combine. Limit the risk of injury prior to getting a life changing payday.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 8:47 am to Robot Santa
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The flaw in that thought process is that the difference between the easiest and most difficult schedule in the NFL is about like the difference in an SEC West and SEC East schedule.
A lot of people don’t seem to grasp that there is a massive difference. I’ve gotten into arguments with so many people trying to point out of a 7-9 and 8-8 team has made the NFL playoffs. As if that’s somehow equal to a unranked 9-4 G5 team making it in. That G5 will probably get blown out by 24+ pts by a top 10 P5 team 8/10 times. That 7-9/8-8 NFL team might get blown out like 2/10 versus a high seed playoff team.
Even the 0-16 Browns and 0-16 Lions teams had competitive games against playoff teams. You’ll rarely if ever see a 2-10 Vandy or Kansas team doing that. They’ll be lucky to keep it within 20 points.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 8:50 am to 1BamaRTR
Then the higher seeded team will just get an easy win while no one will be able to say the G5 wasn't represented. What's the problem?
Posted on 6/11/21 at 8:53 am to pvilleguru
Is that what it is for you, equal representation whether deserving or not ?
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:04 am to Bear88
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Is that what it is for you, equal representation whether deserving or not ?
For me? No. It's more about having 120+ teams in the same division with inequal and regional scheduling. Claiming to have 5 power conferences, yet only having a 4 team playoff. I'm in favor of much bigger changes, but expanding the playoff to at least 8 is better than what we have now.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:16 am to pvilleguru
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Then the higher seeded team will just get an easy win while no one will be able to say the G5 wasn't represented. What's the problem?
Why play the game then?
Don't they already have their NFL draft position solidified?
Why risk the injury in a meaningless game?
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:20 am to TideSaint
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Why play the game then?
Because this is sports. Upsets happen.
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Don't they already have their NFL draft position solidified?
The frick does that have to do with this?
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Why risk the injury in a meaningless game?
It's not a meaningless game to the team. They still have to win or be eliminated. A few players may think the risk outweighs the reward, and they can sit out if they want.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:39 am to pvilleguru
Sure I can.
I follow your entire post history.
You want Socialism up and down the board, including college football.
Adding more games means more injuries. That's indisputable.
I follow your entire post history.
You want Socialism up and down the board, including college football.
Adding more games means more injuries. That's indisputable.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:46 am to TideSaint
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I follow your entire post history
No shite. You've clearly stalked me to other boards.
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You want Socialism up and down the board, including college football.
And you say I'm the dumb one. quote:
Adding more games means more injuries. That's indisputable.
Again, no shite. If you think the risk outweighs the reward, then sit out.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:55 am to pvilleguru
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Because this is sports. Upsets happen.
Which is why a 12 team playoff that gives the G-5 an automatic seat at the table is fricking stupid.
BYU doesn't deserve a crack at a once beaten UGA or A&M just because they beat the little sisters of the poor a dozen times. If the goal is to give the G-5 an opportunity then the actual top teams need to be passed through to the "real" tournament and have their opponents be the teams that come out of a play in tournament. Make it 20 teams, with the top 4 passed through and the other 16 having to win two games in a row against top 25 competition to get a shot at them.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:56 am to pvilleguru
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Who's to say Northern Illinois can't pull an upset or two?
If an 8-4 Northern Illinois squad upsets a Power 5 program then that team didn't deserve to be in the playoffs either.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:57 am to pvilleguru
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No shite. You've clearly stalked me to other boards.
You do a pretty bang up job of posting your political ideology here, son.
No need to stalk you elsewhere.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 10:03 am to Robot Santa
So many of the same people complaining about “Bama hasn’t played anybody” are now cheering for teams that play 10-13 “nobodies” a season while struggling against some of them.
It’s not going to happen but most of the G5 teams (some of the bottom tier P5 too) should be in a different division. Split the FBS into a 1A and 1B kind of thing.
It’s not going to happen but most of the G5 teams (some of the bottom tier P5 too) should be in a different division. Split the FBS into a 1A and 1B kind of thing.
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