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re: 12 Team Playoff
Posted on 6/10/21 at 4:31 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Posted on 6/10/21 at 4:31 pm to TomRollTideRitter
This new proposal isn’t going to help the G5 teams nearly as much as people think. The higher ups have made it clear that they don’t care much for the G5 teams and not sure why that would change. Meanwhile Bama, Clemson, OSU, OU, and a few others will get in even if they have a down year now. All in likely hood, one of them will still win it most every year.
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Posted on 6/10/21 at 4:39 pm to JustGetItRight
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Bowls are done. They'll either be incorporated as playoff games or shut down further limiting exposure for those teams that need it to get their brand out.
Yeah, I'm not so sure this will happen. The Bowl games have deep relationships with conferences and college football, especially the ones that have been around for years. Look how hard the Big 10 and Pac 12 fought to keep their relationship with the Rose Bowl. And even the ones that don't currently have a seat at the playoff table like the Citrus Bowl and the Outback Bowl aren't going to just go away.
I just fail to see what everyone is excited about with this expanded playoff when you go back and look at most of the semifinal games since the 4 team playoffs started. They've rarely been that competitive. And we're going to water it down more with 8 more teams?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 5:11 pm to The Spleen
Don’t like at all. We already play in the toughest division in football. If you keep the conference championship game, let’s say Alabama loses it, we are now in the play in week? So we have to play three more games to win a championship? Anybody worried about injuries? We complain about Clemson’s soft schedule now, they are the ones who benefit, not us.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 5:32 pm to The Spleen
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Yeah, I'm not so sure this will happen. The Bowl games have deep relationships with conferences and college football, especially the ones that have been around for years. Look how hard the Big 10 and Pac 12 fought to keep their relationship with the Rose Bowl. And even the ones that don't currently have a seat at the playoff table like the Citrus Bowl and the Outback Bowl aren't going to just go away.
Up until the early 80s, there were only a dozen or so total bowl games. A 12 team playoff means 11 games (4 play-in, 4 round 1, 2 semi, title). Those old traditional bowl games certainly won't go away. They will be incorporated into the playoffs. The Rose Bowl isn't going to sit and host the #2 Pac-12 vs the #3 B1G when they could be drawing big playoff crowds and TV ratings.
The rest of the bowls will die within a few years of playoff expansion. Assuming the playoffs will roughly match the polls, the highest rated bowl only team would be #13. Nobody's going to care enough to travel or watch.
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I just fail to see what everyone is excited about with this expanded playoff when you go back and look at most of the semifinal games since the 4 team playoffs started. They've rarely been that competitive. And we're going to water it down more with 8 more teams?
This is spot on. I posted it on tRant but it's worth repeating. Only 3 of the 14 semifinal games played thus far have been within 10 points at the end. Some of the play-in games will be highly competitive, but all they're playing for is the right to get eviscerated by the teams that are elite that season.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 6/10/21 at 5:34 pm to hnds2th
Do people that really care about player safety, care about it if they’re arguing for 17 game schedules? Most teams are already beat up by the end of the season.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 5:36 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Do people that really care about player safety, care about it if they’re arguing for 17 game schedules? Most teams are already beat up by the end of the season.
The real playoff-capable teams will drop at least 1 and maybe 2 regular season games. I were the SEC, I'd go 10+1 with the 1 required to be FBS.
It'll make for a great regular season. Too bad for the programs that go broke because they don't get the money from playing big teams.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 5:40 pm to The Spleen
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just fail to see what everyone is excited about with this expanded playoff when you go back and look at most of the semifinal games since the 4 team playoffs started. They've rarely been that competitive. And we're going to water it down more with 8 more teams?
I see what you are saying but even I have to admit it is pretty easy to pick 4-5 teams going to the playoffs before the year starts . It’s just to get more flavor…. Besides I don’t mind watching Bama beat up on a “name” team 45-13 one more time
Posted on 6/10/21 at 5:51 pm to Bear88
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Besides I don’t mind watching Bama beat up on a “name” team 45-13 one more time
We won’t but the others clamoring for it will. All this guarantees is that the big names of CFB make it in every year.
What this poster believes on the SEC rant is very unlikely to happen.
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Gone are the days where only Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State can consistently offer recruits to be part of the playoffs. It was a great pitch and without it, the sport will have much more parity.
The pitch of making a playoff won’t carry the same weight. The pitch will now be you will make the playoffs every year and win possibly one or multiple championships. Then there’s also the whole allure of facilities, resources, and pumping guys into the NFL. No amount of playoff expansion or the NIL stuff will ever equate a Boise St or Cincinnati to an Alabama or Clemson. I expect the parity to stay the same or increase.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:00 pm to 1BamaRTR
Yea . Coaching and facilities will still play a major part . Players has still rather go to Bama , Clemson, OSU etc than Iowa
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:03 pm to JustGetItRight
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Some of the play-in games will be highly competitive, but all they're playing for is the right to get eviscerated by the teams that are elite that season.
People just desperately want CFB to be like the NFL where a good season gets you a shot at a championship. The flaw in that thought process is that the difference between the easiest and most difficult schedule in the NFL is about like the difference in an SEC West and SEC East schedule. Not an SEC West and Mountain West schedule. We can tell which teams are actually elite without paying lip service to this idiotic notion that Coastal Carolina might be as good as Alabama or Ohio State but is unfairly denied the chance to prove it.
Honestly, scrap all of it and go back to bowl and poll with the traditional tie ins. Make winning the SEC and playing in the Sugar Bowl or winning the B1G and going to the Rose Bowl a big deal again. CFB is better that way.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:10 pm to Robot Santa
Only problem o see with that is the tradition and bowls doesnt mean much to these kids nowadays … hate to say it but prolly going to see more and more “opt outs”
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:15 pm to Robot Santa
Yes well, if you you love hardly ever seeing the best play the best, go back to the polls.
I'll pass.
Sometimes it was literally years between #1 v #2 matchups.
I have enjoyed the hell out of the playoffs.
Two was good (BCS)
Four was better.
Twelve is for the good of the game.
I am not going to sit around and ring hands over the eventual fate of the Tostito Bowl.
I'll pass.
Sometimes it was literally years between #1 v #2 matchups.
I have enjoyed the hell out of the playoffs.
Two was good (BCS)
Four was better.
Twelve is for the good of the game.
I am not going to sit around and ring hands over the eventual fate of the Tostito Bowl.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:36 pm to Bear88
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Only problem o see with that is the tradition and bowls doesnt mean much to these kids nowadays … hate to say it but prolly going to see more and more “opt outs”
You don't think ton of this was caused by embarking on a quest to declare a definitive champion in the first place? Maybe that genie can't go back in the bottle, but every kid who played college football last year has grown up with the media obsessing over who will get into the national championship or playoff literally before the season even began. So it's no small wonder to me that those kids wouldn't give a shite about playing in a non-playoff Orange or Rose Bowl after being conditioned for years to see it as a consolation prize instead of something to be proud of.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:39 pm to RiverCityTider
Oh yes, the best haven’t played in recent years. What are you talking about???? The 70s??? Since the playoffs have been played, the best, have played the best. Don’t dismiss the recent playoffs. I guess, according to you, Alabama’s playoff national championships are invalid? It was only four teams
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:40 pm to Robot Santa
You don't remember being stuck in the Sugar Bowl and watching Notre Dame beat Texas and jump to number 1?
Or playing Penn state in the Sugar instead of Oklahoma in the Orange for a National Championship?
It was a freaking disaster. And it was all because of Bowl Game deal making and Polls.
Or playing Penn state in the Sugar instead of Oklahoma in the Orange for a National Championship?
It was a freaking disaster. And it was all because of Bowl Game deal making and Polls.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:42 pm to RiverCityTider
This isn’t the 70s. The best 4 teams make it.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:43 pm to Robot Santa
I am sure the media spotlight on the teams is the cause and agents, families , etc seeing the Weed Eater Bowl as being meaningless but like you said , can’t put the genie back in the bottle
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:44 pm to Cobrasize
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Oh yes, the best haven’t played in recent years. What are you talking about???? The 70s??? Since the playoffs have been played, the best, have played the best. Don’t dismiss the recent playoffs. I guess, according to you, Alabama’s playoff national championships are invalid? It was only four teams
I was responding to Robot Santa saying we should go back to the Poll system.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:46 pm to RiverCityTider
I respect not going back to the poll system, I apologize
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:48 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Are you planning on attending all these neutral sites? I know you and many other boarders attend many of the games like myself.
I think getting the family to 4 neutral sites in a month is going to be untenable. That’s my only major issue with this proposal.
Nope, and it sucks. That first round should be home games.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 8:49 pm
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