re: 12 Team Playoff

No. They dropped the "Bama hasn't played anybody.". Now it's "Bama doesn't play anybody up north in the snow, with artic temperatures, Gail force winds and snow drifts" in the middle of December. If only we would level the playing field by scheduling such games, we would really get exposed.

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If they made it into the playoffs, then they deserved to be there.

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Presently?

Sure.

With 12 teams just to pacify the West Coast so they are included?

No fricking way.

An 8-4 MAC team isn't making the playoff as it currently stands.

Giving their conference champion an automatic bid would let them in.

You honestly don't see the difference between the two?

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You honestly don't see the difference between the two?

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The difference is that the limitations of what is "deserved" changes.

I'd say that an 8-4 G5 conference champ is more deserving than a 9-3 team that finished 3rd or 4th in a P5 conference.

I don’t think you have to be an elite conference so to speak but last year was a great example . CINCY who most thought was deserving got beat by decent UGA team who had players sitting out / Injured… they had no Business playing a BAMA, OSU, Clemson etc. I am for them getting a shot when they pass the “eye test” of the committee which has proven to be right nearly every year but a 1-3 loss P5 team from an elite conference will win that matchup nearly every time

It’s just hard to compare an 11-1 or 12-0 G5 who got there largely by beating TULSA ,, MTSU types all year . Not saying they don’t serve a shot but as others have posted an 8-4 G5 champ…. No way

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every year but a 1-3 loss P5 team from an elite conference will win that matchup nearly every time

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Will they? I think the G5 has a pretty good record in those games going back to through the BCS years. They probably won’t compete with the top 4 but neither will teams that the top 4 has already beaten.

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It’s just hard to comparec11-1 or 12-0 G5 who got there largely by beating TULSA ,, MTSU types all year

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Is it not hard to compare Alabama’s schedule with say Iowa’s?

The 2015 Iowa team would have made the playoff had they beaten Michigan State. Their best win was @Northwestern who Butch beat by 6 TDs in the bowl game. I don’t think their schedule was any tougher than UCF’s schedule in ‘17 and in a hypothetical matchup, I think UCF beats that Iowa team.

I’m not trying to argue that UCF had a good schedule or should have been in the playoff. I’m just saying that in the playoff era, we’ve gone from really analyzing schedules to just saying P5 good, G5 bad.

The G5 should schedule harder argument doesn’t work for me because we don’t punish bad P5 schedules.

Ohio State played half their games and got in last season. How can we say scheduling matters when that happens?

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I'd say that an 8-4 G5 conference champ is more deserving than a 9-3 team that finished 3rd or 4th in a P5 conference.

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Why? Just because they won a shite conference? You damn well know the Sun Belt or Conference USA is nowhere close to as tough as the SEC or Big 10. So you already know that the 9-3 P5 team had a harder time going 9-3 then that 8-4 G5 team did to win that championship. Yet by saying this, you’re acting like they are even somewhat close.

I can get the 13-0 or 12-1 G5 champ getting in, but under no circumstance does an 8-4 G5 team have the resume to get in.

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You want a shot at the national championship but couldn't finish in the top 2 or 3 of your conference?

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So you want the 8-4 G5 to get a shot at NC but they couldn’t even win 10 games despite playing a horrendous schedule? I can play that game too.

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Yeah, I'd much rather give that spot to a G5 conference champ.

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Let’s look at 2019. The MAC champ was Miami (OH) who was 8-5.

Miami (OH)
Record 8-5
SOS 82nd
Point differential NEGATIVE 4 points
Three ranked games played (0-3 vs top 25)
Had losses of 24, 22, and 72 (!) points to them
Also had 22 point loss to 7-5 MAC team and 14 point loss to a 5-7 MAC team

Iowa
Record 9-3
SOS 22nd
Point differential 11.8 points
4 ranked teams played (1-3 vs top 25)
Had losses of 7, 5, and 2
Beat Miami (OH) head to head by 24 points

This Iowa team doesn’t belong in the playoffs either but you would say the Miami (OH) has a better argument simply because they won their absolute dogshit conference.

Let’s look at a potential playoff team this time

Wisconsin
Record 9-3
SOS 2nd
Point differential 17.2 points
Five ranked teams played (3-2 vs top 25)
Lost to OSU 2x (combined MOL still 18 points lower then Miami (OH) one loss to OSU!)
Lost to 6-6 Big 10 team by 1 point
Beat the MAC runner up 61-0 (Miami (OH) beat them by 5)

In what world does Miami (OH) deserve in? You have zero justification for this. Just emotion. I’m going based off of their resume.

I’m also assuming you believe Alabama should not deserve the 2011 and 2017 season’s titles because they didn’t win their conference?

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What is your justification for Miami (OH) being considered more worthy then the other 2 teams I mentioned? I’ve yet to see any justification as to why winning a G5 championship alone (not talking about the 13-0 UCF like teams) is more deserving then a team that crushed them head to head and had overall FAR better resumes.

Just saying because they won their conference is not justification because I can easily turn it around like my opening statement in the last post.

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I would have been fine is Alabama missed out both years. The rules in place didn't prevent it, so I won't say they didn't deserve it.

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I am asking you in principle. I’m not asking you if the system allows it. Because we are speaking about a hypothetical all G5 champs getting an auto bid. As it stands right now, the new system or future systems have obviously yet to allow or not allow anything.

I know there are social issues in which you feel injustice is done. Just because the rules say something is ok doesn’t mean it is right? I’m sure you’d agree with that.

So I’m asking you, if it were up to you, do you think Alabama should get 2011 and 2017? I’m NOT asking if you’re “fine” with them missing. I’m asking if you feel the same way for that as you do this whole all G5 champs thing.

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If it was up to me, today, to make the decisions, Alabama would not be national Champs in 2011 and 2017.

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Good that you’re at least consistent there

But I’m still waiting on why you think 2019 Miami (OH) deserves in over Wisconsin and Iowa of that year. I’d think most people would agree that Wisconsin and Iowa were not only better teams but also had far better resumes. So in other words, why is winning a G5 conference championship enough?