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Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:33 am to BamaReb
Mistake free football.
Everytime a play isn’t executed the way it’s drawn up, a mistake was made. It’s not just about turnovers. It’s also about THE PLAYS THAT ARE NOT MADE THAT COULD AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE.
To just count turnovers is a very simplistic and misleading way of looking at things. In a sense, every punt or failure to convert 3rd downs is a turnover. It’s just a matter of field position.
COMMON SENSE.
I wrote the seminal post on this months ago
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Everytime a play isn’t executed the way it’s drawn up, a mistake was made. It’s not just about turnovers. It’s also about THE PLAYS THAT ARE NOT MADE THAT COULD AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE.
To just count turnovers is a very simplistic and misleading way of looking at things. In a sense, every punt or failure to convert 3rd downs is a turnover. It’s just a matter of field position.
COMMON SENSE.
I wrote the seminal post on this months ago
LINK /
More world class original content.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:35 am to BamaReb
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RCT - It's not about playing mistake free football. Nobody is going to play mistake free football.
It is possible to put forth constructive criticism without tearing down player or making condescending remarks, maybe not as much fun for some of you, but would probably lead to fewer personal attacks. Tua will have limitations or room for improvement; just like Jalen has. From all appearances Tua has a significantly greater upside potential. Tua is going to sling it where Jalen ran or threw it away. There are going to be times when that does work out. It didn't always work out for Bret Favre; it won't always work out for Tua.
Hopefully, people can be a little more tactful in their criticism of Tua than they were with Jalen. Hopefully, people can also be more accepting of the criticism than they were with Jalen.
Tua did make some mistakes in the game, but wow...you have to be excited about the potential of the downfield passing game with the receivers we have.
Roll Tide!!!
Solid post.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:37 am to BamaReb
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Hopefully, people can be a little more tactful in their criticism of Tua than they were with Jalen. Hopefully, people can also be more accepting of the criticism than they were with Jalen.
I really think it all comes down to saban trust in finally having a qb that will turn it over,
but his offense production will far exceed the turn over's.
If we had made the winning FG it would have been 23 unanswered points Tua and the offense would have laid on UGA 1st team defense.
That's with the INT and settling for two FG deep into UGA red zone.
What he would have done with an entire game or judey/Calvin coming down with both catches for td's instead of FG's .
I think Tua will have no problem adjusting to more game manager as compared to jalen pulling the trigger more or better.
Yet maybe jalen not having to look over his shoulder at tua gaining will allow him to turn it loose more in practice.
Our best case is both get better at what both lack as we may need either to relive in a crucial game.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:37 am to River_City_Tider
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It’s just a matter of field position.
Saban is pretty big on field position.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:40 am to Gj4Bama
All I'm saying and not being critical, #13 (Tua) + #6 (Devonta Smith)-#2 Hurts on that night = #17. So we can use the equation #13+#6-#2= Championship #17. The numbers add up on that particular night in Georgia.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:41 am to AjA77
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If we had made the winning FG it would have been 23 unanswered points Tua and the offense would have laid on UGA 1st team defense.
It would have been 16 unanswered points. UGA scored a TD after we cut it to 13-7.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:42 am to pvilleguru
The game has changed. Doesn’t mean you can be reckless, but plays have to be made. It’s not enough just not to turn the ball over.
And it’s not fair to Judge a qb who is making plays strictly on ints. It’s the TD to INT ratio that matters.
And it’s not fair to Judge a qb who is making plays strictly on ints. It’s the TD to INT ratio that matters.
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:45 am to bamabaum
Very nice. It adds up.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:45 am to pvilleguru
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Saban is pretty big on field position.
The endzone is a pretty good position on the field to be. Unfortunately, our offense has tended not to get there very often vs good defenses. Zero times the first half vs UGA.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 9:47 am
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:49 am to River_City_Tider
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And it’s not fair to Judge a qb who is making plays strictly on ints. It’s the TD to INT ratio that matters.
I will state up-front that I want Tua to be the quarterback in 2018.
However, you're shooting yourself in the foot with this statement.
2017 Stats
Jalen Hurts
17 TDs, 1 INT
Tua Tagovailoa
11 TDS, 2 INT
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 9:50 am
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:50 am to River_City_Tider
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And it’s not fair to Judge a qb who is making plays strictly on ints. It’s the TD to INT ratio that matters.
It's not the only thing that matters. His ratio could have easily been 1:2.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:50 am to pvilleguru
This thread really seems to be taking off. Great stuff.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:04 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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Well, like I've said before, if he isn't the projected starter coming out of spring, we won't have to argue about it anymore going into the fall because he won't be here.
Well you can put that to rest since both of his parents have recently said that that’s not happening and they love it in Alabama and this was the right move for them.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:04 am to Sauron
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2017 Stats
Jalen Hurts
17 TDs, 1 INT
Tua Tagovailoa
11 TDS, 2 INT
Which amounts to 6.7% of Hurts' attempts going for a touchdown. Tagovailoa throws for a touchdown on 15.7% attempts, which is over 2.5 times as productive.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:07 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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Which amounts to 6.7% of Hurts' attempts going for a touchdown. Tagovailoa throws for a touchdown on 15.7% attempts, which is over 2.5 times as productive.
Not arguing that in the least. I'm responding to River_City_Tider's assertion that the TD to INT ratio is what matters.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 10:08 am
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:07 am to Gj4Bama
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Well you can put that to rest since both of his parents have recently said that that’s not happening and they love it in Alabama and this was the right move for them.
His family may in fact stay in Alabama but if Jalen Hurts is the starter next season, Tua Tagovailoa will not be at Alabama.
How would you like to see his younger brother at Auburn? That would suck.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 10:09 am
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:09 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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His family may in fact stay in Alabama but if Jalen Hurts is the starter next season there is no way that Tua Tagovailoa will be at Alabama. How would you like to see his younger brother at Auburn? That would suck.
You keep saying this. Either back it up with statements from Taulia or Tua, or stop asserting it as fact.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:14 am to Sauron
I've not been wrong yet about this quarterback situation.
I said last year that Barnett would transfer. He did.
I said that Jalen Hurts lack of a downfield passing game would get us beat. It did.
I said this year that the receivers were clearly frustrted with Hurts. They were.
I said that if Tagovailoa didn't play in the playoffs he might transfer even before spring. Several unbiased observers, including Lane Kiffin, later said that would have been the case.
Anybody that thinks that Tua Tagovailoa is going to sit on the bench and watch an inferior quarterback play ahead of him is not being reasonable.
Wait and watch it. I think Tagovailoa will be the projected starter coming out of the spring. If not, he won't take Saban's word for it again that the best player will start and I won't blame him one bit.
I said last year that Barnett would transfer. He did.
I said that Jalen Hurts lack of a downfield passing game would get us beat. It did.
I said this year that the receivers were clearly frustrted with Hurts. They were.
I said that if Tagovailoa didn't play in the playoffs he might transfer even before spring. Several unbiased observers, including Lane Kiffin, later said that would have been the case.
Anybody that thinks that Tua Tagovailoa is going to sit on the bench and watch an inferior quarterback play ahead of him is not being reasonable.
Wait and watch it. I think Tagovailoa will be the projected starter coming out of the spring. If not, he won't take Saban's word for it again that the best player will start and I won't blame him one bit.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:23 am to Huddie Leadbetter
Actually his family said that a transfer for Tua isn’t happening regardless if he’s on the sidelines or not. The relationship that he and Jalen have is strong and supportive of one another. There is an article that just came out and you can read it for yourself, his family are good people and have raised both sons right.
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