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re: We’re a blue state now?
Posted on 11/6/20 at 6:28 pm to tween the hedges
Posted on 11/6/20 at 6:28 pm to tween the hedges
It is incredibly sad that the state I was born in has become so corrupted by Atlanta. That’s about all I got.
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 7:12 pm to tween the hedges
Didnt GA go blue in 1992?
Posted on 11/6/20 at 7:28 pm to djsdawg
Thanks to Ross Perot.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:01 pm to meansonny
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A loss leader public option would absolutely put a lot of plans out of business. All at the taxpayer expense. And when private plans go away, we are left with single payer through attrition.
I want to be completely honest with you. I want to put aside all the internet memeing, and it's perfectly fine if, at the end of reading this, you disagree with me. I want to tell you why I'm for a single payer plan, and why it's not nearly as scary as it seems. I'm not even trying to change your mind. I'm just telling you why I choose single payer, as a person that lives in GA, not as a democrat or republican.
1) No one is saying it's free. I fully expect my taxes to increase by at least 15%, but if it decreases my health insurance by 100%, then it's still a net sum gain for my family of 4.
2) I do business around the world, and I've asked multiple folks what the wait times for your healthcare is and the response is pretty much the same. The Canadians had the longest wait time. "Typically, I have to schedule a month or 2 in advance if it's a routine physical, but specialists can be shorter or longer, usually no longer than 3 months. If it's an emergency, I've never had to wait". This is the response I've gotten in every country. There are no drastic wait times.
3) If you have a problem with paying for someone else's insurance, just remember, our prescription drug prices are currently subsidizing the cost AROUND THE WORLD. Your health insurance company has little to no leverage when it comes to reducing drug prices. So you have to ask why is it cheaper every where else? Because their government negotiates the prices. How do the drug companies stay in business when India's prices are so low? Because they get rich Americans to pay for it with them, and there's nothing we can do to stop it.
4) In every country there's the option to pay for extra coverage. If you want to pay for premium care, then you have that choice. Yes, the health insurance companies will take a hit, or they'll be absorbed by the government. Private insurance will not disappear. Every country has the option to purchase additional. But these are companies that profit off life itself, and it's usually them who decide whether a person will live or die. And they've systematically raised prices and decreased coverage for decades. Should I really feel that sorry for them?
5) I grew up on a farm. The farm was my uncle's only source of income, and unfortunately, his wife developed breast cancer. Even with the insurance he had, he had to pay over $1.5m out of pocket for her treatments, and he nearly lost his home and his farm because of it. I'd love to see the day where going to the doctor doesn't ruin a family. This man had been working for 60 years in the sun, and nearly lost it all just because of bad luck.
I agree with the previous comments here. The US has the best quality of health care in the world if you're super rich. It's why you get million and billionaires coming to the US for medical treatments. But for guys like me, and I'm assuming the majority of this board, we don't receive that kind of treatment. The kind of treatment we receive is very much middle of the road to poor and far more expensive compared to the rest of the world.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:13 pm to DubyaDee40
100% of what you just said is bullshite.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:22 pm to deeprig9
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100% of what you just said is bullshite.
Love you too deep.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 9:05 pm to RedPants
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Chemtrail guy.
Yes.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 9:38 pm to meansonny
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You must be a socialist (lol)
Nope
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Do you expect free shite?
I expect us to get with the rest ofbthe world instead we're held back by right wingers like you who fear change and establishment Dems
Posted on 11/6/20 at 10:49 pm to DubyaDee40
I have a simple response for you.
It is your lie.
You dont get the best healthcare subsidized by the government. No one gets more for less. Especially when provided by the government. Just like Obama's lie that no preexisting conditions would cost less. How in the hell did the media let anyone get away with such an atrocious lie.
Your uncle doesnt get 1.5M in treatment for cancer subsidized by the government.
People try to tell you that you get the same or similar quality on single payer.
But no one brags about the care from Medicaid right now. Because it isnt apples to apples.
Why do dems and socialists lie?
Why do they imply that things will be ok when they will not?
The 15% more taxes that you pay gets you 85% less quality. Who says so? Free labor says so.
Even today, my brother's $1,100/month family health plan gave him jack shite value. 2 month wait times for a physical and no coverage for the physical. He was going to have to pay $800 out of pocket for the visit. So he voluntarily cancelled it and bitched to me about private option health insurance through obamacare. The quality doesnt get better when run by the government.
Canada just passed a law making extra coverage "not illegal". Can you imagine that? For 40 years, slipping money to your doctor for better care was a crime. How is that not socialist?
And do you know what you are advocating? The same net outcome right now where the rich get better care by paying more. If that is your best case scenario end result, why the frick do we need single payer care? It is still dems and socialists like you bitching about your crappy care and how the rich are benefitting from a corrupt capitalist system. I know where the bitching starts and ends. And deep down, you know it too as you already allude to the fact that single payer is fricked up and flawed needing private to help it.
Guess what, we already have medicare, Medicaid, and VA (who is trying to go the opposite route and make things more like private care).
The care you receive now is better than the care provided by the government. The scariest words in the world are, "we are the government and we are here to help".
It is your lie.
You dont get the best healthcare subsidized by the government. No one gets more for less. Especially when provided by the government. Just like Obama's lie that no preexisting conditions would cost less. How in the hell did the media let anyone get away with such an atrocious lie.
Your uncle doesnt get 1.5M in treatment for cancer subsidized by the government.
People try to tell you that you get the same or similar quality on single payer.
But no one brags about the care from Medicaid right now. Because it isnt apples to apples.
Why do dems and socialists lie?
Why do they imply that things will be ok when they will not?
The 15% more taxes that you pay gets you 85% less quality. Who says so? Free labor says so.
Even today, my brother's $1,100/month family health plan gave him jack shite value. 2 month wait times for a physical and no coverage for the physical. He was going to have to pay $800 out of pocket for the visit. So he voluntarily cancelled it and bitched to me about private option health insurance through obamacare. The quality doesnt get better when run by the government.
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4) In every country there's the option to pay for extra coverage. If you want to pay for premium care,
Canada just passed a law making extra coverage "not illegal". Can you imagine that? For 40 years, slipping money to your doctor for better care was a crime. How is that not socialist?
And do you know what you are advocating? The same net outcome right now where the rich get better care by paying more. If that is your best case scenario end result, why the frick do we need single payer care? It is still dems and socialists like you bitching about your crappy care and how the rich are benefitting from a corrupt capitalist system. I know where the bitching starts and ends. And deep down, you know it too as you already allude to the fact that single payer is fricked up and flawed needing private to help it.
Guess what, we already have medicare, Medicaid, and VA (who is trying to go the opposite route and make things more like private care).
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But for guys like me, and I'm assuming the majority of this board, we don't receive that kind of treatment.
The care you receive now is better than the care provided by the government. The scariest words in the world are, "we are the government and we are here to help".
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 11/6/20 at 11:30 pm to meansonny
Isn’t it amazing that it’s always Fulton, Clayton, Chatham etc. counties that always seem to have these endless uncounted ballots?
What a sham. The rural uneducated deplorables always figure out how to count their votes by 11/3.
What a sham. The rural uneducated deplorables always figure out how to count their votes by 11/3.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 11:37 pm to DubyaDee40
Why should I pay more and take money from my family so you can have healthcare coverage that you like?
Posted on 11/7/20 at 6:38 am to K9
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why would these high ranking officials be against Trump
lol Where to start... Perhaps because he's a pathological liar and has no compunction about it. Maybe it's his strong authoritarian tendencies (I'll be generous and avoid the fascist label). Maybe it's because instead of "drain the swamp," he plugged in former lobbyists and cronies with conflicts of interest to key positions. Or maybe it's because he has zero interest in science or facts.
The list could go on, but flag officers are not going to respect someone of such deformed character.
Posted on 11/7/20 at 7:00 am to meansonny
Thank you for this well written truth.
Democrats are able to sell these lies because they are aided and abetted by a supportive liberal news media that is basically an extension of the Democrat Party. This is fact not fantasy. You need only watch any of the MSM to confirm the outright Trump hate from day 1 of his administration. Meanwhile:
"In 2017, the liberal Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard University found that 93 percent of CNN’s coverage of the Trump administration was negative. The center found similarly negative Trump coverage at other major news outlets." Liberal Media
Democrats are able to sell these lies because they are aided and abetted by a supportive liberal news media that is basically an extension of the Democrat Party. This is fact not fantasy. You need only watch any of the MSM to confirm the outright Trump hate from day 1 of his administration. Meanwhile:
"In 2017, the liberal Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard University found that 93 percent of CNN’s coverage of the Trump administration was negative. The center found similarly negative Trump coverage at other major news outlets." Liberal Media
Posted on 11/7/20 at 8:38 am to K9
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but why would any military person support the guy that helped approve the needless wars
For one, he doesn't abandon our allies. Several of my Army buddies who are still serving were going to vote for Trump up until the point he abandoned the Kurds to be butchered by the Turks. They said it made them literally sick to their stomachs. The Kurds are the only secular, pro-America group of Muslims in the world. And it's not like Trump pulled us out of Syria. We are still there. And in greater numbers. Just in a different area. We simply relocated out of the north so Turkey could move in and occupy the Kurdish areas and exterminate them. An estimated 10,000 Kurds have been rounded up and killed by Turkish death squads a la einsatzgruppen.
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brokering peace throughout the middle east?
I will give credit where credit is due. Normalizing relations between Israel and UAE, Bahrain and Sudan is important. But to call it peace is not really accurate considering those countries were never at war with Israel. A much bigger deal would be formal recognition by Saudi Arabia. The big kahuna would be getting Syria to formally cede the Golan to Israel. THAT would be peace.
This post was edited on 11/7/20 at 8:40 am
Posted on 11/7/20 at 8:58 am to SquatchDawg
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Isn’t it amazing that it’s always Fulton, Clayton, Chatham etc. counties that always seem to have these endless uncounted ballots?
You think it's weird the most populated counties take longer to count the votes? You do understand that counting to 1000 happens before counting to 1 million.
Posted on 11/7/20 at 9:27 am to Litigator
Reading this board shows a rich mixture of complete fricktards in the Metro area.
Posted on 11/7/20 at 9:39 am to retooc
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You think it's weird the most populated counties take longer to count the votes? You do understand that counting to 1000 happens before counting to 1 million.
You think fulton county has more staffers? I'd bet that they do.
The 1 issue that is new is the amount of incoming mail. No one can count anything before the letters are opened. There are breaks in the chain that impact everything else.
Posted on 11/7/20 at 9:53 am to meansonny
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You think fulton county has more staffers? I'd bet that they do.
The 1 issue that is new is the amount of incoming mail. No one can count anything before the letters are opened. There are breaks in the chain that impact everything else.
Since resources and space are finite at some point having too many workers will make the process less efficient. Also, you can’t just plug and play workers across the process. You would need to add a group of workers that can complete the entire cycle. Having more people to open the mail would just create a bigger backlog if there’s the same amount of people counting it.
This post was edited on 11/7/20 at 9:55 am
Posted on 11/7/20 at 10:02 am to baconwaffle
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For one, he doesn't abandon our allies
We don't have allies. Our allies are like the frat bro who sleeps on the couch, eats all of the food, and doesn't pay for anything.
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Several of my Army buddies who are still serving were going to vote for Trump up until the point he abandoned the Kurds to be butchered by the Turks.
Hope they're excited for Harris to get the war machine fired up again.
This post was edited on 11/7/20 at 10:16 am
Posted on 11/7/20 at 10:12 am to retooc
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Isn’t it amazing that it’s always Fulton, Clayton, Chatham etc. counties that always seem to have these endless uncounted ballots?
You think it's weird the most populated counties take longer to count the votes? You do understand that counting to 1000 happens before counting to 1 million.
Counties as big as Fulton County should have MORE STAFFERS in order to count MORE VOTES. It is a simple math equation on how many staffers you should have in order to get the count done in a certain time frame. It is as simple as that.
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