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re: Tom Crean is our MF Coach
Posted on 3/17/18 at 8:32 pm to Dawgsontop34
Posted on 3/17/18 at 8:32 pm to Dawgsontop34
I’ll respond in more detail later but understand this: Claxton will the focal point of the team next year and the years going forward. Crean singles him out for a reason (even though he tried to play it off as an example)... don’t be surprised if Claxton becomes a top 20 draft pick under Creans guidance.
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Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:37 am to Kneehigh
I agree he could be that good.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 6:33 am to Dawgsontop34
Harris is 6’4 playing against forwards that are 6’7. That is a horrible freaking idea.
Hagans, Crump, Harris, Hammonds, Ogbeide is absolutely retarded for a strong line up. How are you getting Crump and Harris both in the game with out your asanine suggestion of Harris being the 3?
Also, where do you play Teshaun Hightower? Personally I will be fine playing Turtle for zero minutes and investing in Hightower and Crump but this won’t happen.
So you would be okay with putting your best big man on the bench in favor of running a smaller lineup just to start Jordan Harris who can’t keep his shite together off the court for two weeks? Brilliant. They shoulda given you that $3.2 million per year.
Hagans, Crump, Harris, Hammonds, Ogbeide is absolutely retarded for a strong line up. How are you getting Crump and Harris both in the game with out your asanine suggestion of Harris being the 3?
Also, where do you play Teshaun Hightower? Personally I will be fine playing Turtle for zero minutes and investing in Hightower and Crump but this won’t happen.
So you would be okay with putting your best big man on the bench in favor of running a smaller lineup just to start Jordan Harris who can’t keep his shite together off the court for two weeks? Brilliant. They shoulda given you that $3.2 million per year.
This post was edited on 3/18/18 at 6:34 am
Posted on 3/18/18 at 7:01 am to DoubleDawg22
First of all, what an overreaction. Second of all, we did start/play Parker at the 3 a lot this year, and he’s 6’3 and not super athletic. This isn’t the NBA, if somebody is 6’7 they’re probably a post player unless we’re playing Kentucky. I also don’t see how bringing up Harris’ off the court issues has any impact here at all, no need to trash a guy trying to get back on the team.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 9:56 am to DoubleDawg22
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So you would be okay with putting your best big man on the bench in favor of running a smaller lineup just to start Jordan Harris who can’t keep his shite together off the court for two weeks? Brilliant. They shoulda given you that $3.2 million per year.
You were the one complaining about Harris (our most athletic guy not being able to get on the floor). Also, you do realize every team doesn’t start 3 guys 6’7” or taller, right? The reason i listed those guys was because it’s match up dependent. Also, 6’4 guys cover 6’7” guys all the time, as long as they aren’t great post players.
I forgot about Hightower, but he can be substituted in for Crump or Harris. We can also make offensive and defensive substitutions if we’re able to. I’m all about playing to the match-ups and trying to take advantage of that.
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So you would be okay with putting your best big man on the bench in favor of running a smaller lineup just to start Jordan Harris who can’t keep his shite together off the court for two weeks? .
I’m going to guess you’re saying Claxton is our best big man, which I think he will be. But I also want to see him develop in the offseason before just inserting him in the crunch time line up. He averaged 4 points a game this year, and was 52% from the line (fwiw, i expect his percentage to go way up next year) Ogbeide was somewhere below 50%. You may have to switch out your players (in crunch time) in order for those guys to avoid going to the line. You can then sub them back in for defensive purposes.
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Brilliant. They shoulda given you that $3.2 million per year
Seems like a lot, considering I’ve never coached college basketball, but I’d take it
Look man, I’m not saying I’m worth 3.2 mil a year. I was just talking about playing different players in crunch time, which every coach in America will do situationally. There are hundreds of reasons I would be a bad coach, but thinking through that sort of situational substituting is not one of them.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 2:00 pm to Kneehigh
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Oh and by the way... just for shits and giggles... where the frick is VA Dawg, Fibonsjfjgdhf, and the other dipspshits that we’re trying to convince everyone that Tony Bennett is a good coach? As I said... nice little regular season coach... blah blah blah... sprinkle in a loss to a 16 seed in the tournament every now and then... just because it’s just so common...
That fricker from UMBC literally went NBA Jam style "on fire"... they beat any team in the country that night. UVA happened to be scheduled to choke on the D that night.Posted on 3/18/18 at 3:13 pm to fibonaccisquared
I know... just fricking with y’all. VA gets triggered pretty easily.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 7:09 pm to Dawgsontop34
I’m not complaining about Harris I am simply stating he is too good not to put on the floor but at the same time there is a real chance he won’t produce what we need from him. Not saying nobody else will.
Look, Hagans is a one and done guy. We will alienate someone and it probably won’t be good for the team. I am hoping it would be that we cut the minutes of Turtle significantly instead of Tyree and Jordan Harris as they will have two more years to go including next season.
And when it’s crunch time we want our best rebounder and defender to protect the basket while giving us our best offensive option. In every scenario Nic Claxton gives us these things when compared to DO and ME.
Sumter, rarely did we operate on the floor with Juwan at the three. He did sub in from time to time in that role but Rayshaun gives us a great advantage being as y’all and Long as he is. We don’t want to lose that advantage.
I am intrigued however at the thought of a four guard 1 post rotation/scheme and outrun whoever it is we play but I don’t think this actually works for us.
I am hopeful we get a graduate big man that can allow us to bring allow Amanze Ngumenzi slowly. Ngumenzi will be tremendous for us after his freshman year. Would also like for us to get a role playing guard similar to Steve Kerr from the bulls that can knock the three ball down. We’d need some to transfer.
Look, Hagans is a one and done guy. We will alienate someone and it probably won’t be good for the team. I am hoping it would be that we cut the minutes of Turtle significantly instead of Tyree and Jordan Harris as they will have two more years to go including next season.
And when it’s crunch time we want our best rebounder and defender to protect the basket while giving us our best offensive option. In every scenario Nic Claxton gives us these things when compared to DO and ME.
Sumter, rarely did we operate on the floor with Juwan at the three. He did sub in from time to time in that role but Rayshaun gives us a great advantage being as y’all and Long as he is. We don’t want to lose that advantage.
I am intrigued however at the thought of a four guard 1 post rotation/scheme and outrun whoever it is we play but I don’t think this actually works for us.
I am hopeful we get a graduate big man that can allow us to bring allow Amanze Ngumenzi slowly. Ngumenzi will be tremendous for us after his freshman year. Would also like for us to get a role playing guard similar to Steve Kerr from the bulls that can knock the three ball down. We’d need some to transfer.
This post was edited on 3/18/18 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 3/20/18 at 1:30 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I’m going to guess you’re saying Claxton is our best big man, which I think he will be
i think we are schleeping on rayshaun, and i fricking love claxton.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:14 pm to DoubleDawg22
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I’m not complaining about Harris I am simply stating he is too good not to put on the floor but at the same time there is a real chance he won’t produce what we need from him.
This makes no sense. He's too good not to put on the floor, but there's also a chance he won't produce what we need?
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Look, Hagans is a one and done guy. We will alienate someone and it probably won’t be good for the team. I am hoping it would be that we cut the minutes of Turtle significantly instead of Tyree and Jordan Harris as they will have two more years to go including next season.
Did you see how bad our guys were at dribbling last year? It would absolutely be a help to our team.
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And when it’s crunch time we want our best rebounder and defender to protect the basket while giving us our best offensive option. In every scenario Nic Claxton gives us these things when compared to DO and ME.
Nowhere on God's green earth did I say anything positive about Mike Edwards or in any way indicate I want him near the floor
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Sumter, rarely did we operate on the floor with Juwan at the three. He did sub in from time to time in that role but Rayshaun gives us a great advantage being as y’all and Long as he is. We don’t want to lose that advantage.
There were plenty of times where Juwan would play the 3.
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Would also like for us to get a role playing guard similar to Steve Kerr from the bulls that can knock the three ball down.
:lol:
Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:22 pm to DoubleDawg22
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Look, Hagans is a one and done guy. We will alienate someone and it probably won’t be good for the team
I just don't see how anyone can think that a lottery player at our biggest position of need, in a transition year at that, wouldn't be anything but outstanding. The last few years we've been a somewhat bubble team, a player of Hagans caliber is the difference between a few of those losses and wins. Furthermore, we don't have Yante or JJ next year to carry the load for us. Who's gonna be our go-to scorer that's capable of putting up 20 a night...Crump? Hammonds? Sure they are both capable but who knows.
Add Hagans at point, let Crump/Hightower/Harris/Turtle combine for a spot or 2 at a time, and have some combo of Hammonds/Clax/DO have a spot or 2 at a time and you've got a solid 8 man lineup there that is perfeclty capable of making the tourney.
In the spot we're in, I don't see how you can just dismiss a top 10 national player and future NBA first rounder, simply because you'd rather have guys who will be on the team longer. Winning is a fantastic recruiter in its own right...make the tourney in Crean's first year and you'll see the interest follow.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:34 pm to WG_Dawg
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I just don't see how anyone can think that a lottery player at our biggest position of need, in a transition year at that, wouldn't be anything but outstanding. The last few years we've been a somewhat bubble team, a player of Hagans caliber is the difference between a few of those losses and wins. Furthermore, we don't have Yante or JJ next year to carry the load for us. Who's gonna be our go-to scorer that's capable of putting up 20 a night...Crump? Hammonds? Sure they are both capable but who knows.
Add Hagans at point, let Crump/Hightower/Harris/Turtle combine for a spot or 2 at a time, and have some combo of Hammonds/Clax/DO have a spot or 2 at a time and you've got a solid 8 man lineup there that is perfeclty capable of making the tourney.
In the spot we're in, I don't see how you can just dismiss a top 10 national player and future NBA first rounder, simply because you'd rather have guys who will be on the team longer. Winning is a fantastic recruiter in its own right...make the tourney in Crean's first year and you'll see the interest follow.
Dis... All of dis.
As a program with negligible basketball history, the *best* thing for the program would be some early momentum. We have some gaps to fill next year and Hagans would categorically fill one in a massive way. Crean was consistently pulling in top 50 players at IU even though they had problems of their own... their *history* was just that... and it was starting to become ancient at that.
Land a player of Hagan's caliber and make the tournament (god forbid win a round or more) in year 1, and Crean dumps gasoline on the recruiting much like Kirby just did in year 2 with a run to the national championship.
There will be playing time to sell coming out of the transition year no matter what. If Hagans is 1 and done as most expect, wouldn't one great year under Crean and a lottery pick be a clear sign for other top guards to consider UGA as a destination to showcase that (with little to no competition for an elite prospect in 2019 assuming Hagans vacates the starting role).
Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:42 pm to DoubleDawg22
quote:I really hope you're just trolling with that comment.
Look, Hagans is a one and done guy. We will alienate someone and it probably won’t be good for the team.
quote:I don't know why you keep acting like this is a thing that happens. Every once in a while you'll see a guard from a mid-major transfer and have an impact at a P5 school, but that almost never happens with 6'10 skilled post players like you want.
I am hopeful we get a graduate big man
Posted on 3/21/18 at 7:57 am to fibonaccisquared
I am not saying we shouldn’t take Hagans. I would love for us to get him and I am hopeful but what is the opportunity cost.
The point I am making is we have two spots and five guys.Take Hagans for one year and sit Tyree who we’ve invest two years in already and has great potential? Sit Jordan Harris who potentially could be the best player on the floor and still has another year? Sit Hightower who is a stud and if he can develop in the offseason can be extremely good the last two years of husbands career?
We are going give up all of this for one guy to be the end all be all for one year? A guy whom we have no clue about how he will transition into the college game? Are you kidding me? Does he look good, absolutely but he is dominating but it is against high school kids.
Yante and JJ Frazier couldn’t get us into the NCAA Tournament but y’all think all of a sudden this kid is hearlded as a top 10 player and we are now a 4 seed.
Sumter doesn’t watch basketball otherwise he’d see that graduate transfers happen pretty frequently every year.
The point I am making is we have two spots and five guys.Take Hagans for one year and sit Tyree who we’ve invest two years in already and has great potential? Sit Jordan Harris who potentially could be the best player on the floor and still has another year? Sit Hightower who is a stud and if he can develop in the offseason can be extremely good the last two years of husbands career?
We are going give up all of this for one guy to be the end all be all for one year? A guy whom we have no clue about how he will transition into the college game? Are you kidding me? Does he look good, absolutely but he is dominating but it is against high school kids.
Yante and JJ Frazier couldn’t get us into the NCAA Tournament but y’all think all of a sudden this kid is hearlded as a top 10 player and we are now a 4 seed.
Sumter doesn’t watch basketball otherwise he’d see that graduate transfers happen pretty frequently every year.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 8:13 am to DoubleDawg22
quote:Who was the last 6'10 post player to graduate transfer into the SEC and have a big impact? Hell, who are some 6'10 talented post players who are candidates to graduate transfer in the immediate future? I'll wait.
Sumter doesn’t watch basketball otherwise he’d see that graduate transfers happen pretty frequently every year.
quote:Yante and JJ were unfortunate enough to have their careers wasted by an incompetent coach. Nobody has said we'd be a top seed with Hagans, but it would go very very far in helping us get to the tournament, just look at Sexton at Bama and how he willed a mediocre team to the tournament.
Yante and JJ Frazier couldn’t get us into the NCAA Tournament but y’all think all of a sudden this kid is hearlded as a top 10 player and we are now a 4 seed.
quote:Such a loser way of thinking, not going after top talent because you're afraid of upsetting current players on the roster will get you fired as a coach. Glad Kirby and Crean don't share your mentality.
I would love for us to get him and I am hopeful but what is the opportunity cost.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 8:38 am to DoubleDawg22
Definitely see what you are saying. Duke has Alex O'Connell coming back next year at guard, so they probably should tell the #1 and #2 players in the nation that they should go somewhere else because if they come for one year, it will stunt O'Connell's growth.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 8:38 am to DoubleDawg22
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.Take Hagans for one year and sit Tyree
Why would Tyree sit? He'd be playing the 2 and have a lot more opportunities to actually shoot which is his forte.
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Sit Jordan Harris who potentially could be the best player on the floor
You get onto people for pumping up Hagans' potential and then say Harris could be our best player? What are you basing that on?
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Sit Hightower
He'd be the backup PG to Hagans, it's not like he'd be getting 2 mpg. And I'm sure there would be situation where we have 3 guards on the floor with Hagans being 1 then some combo of turtle/crump/hightower/harris at the others
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We are going give up all of this
as noted above, you're not giving up anythign that you referenced
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for one guy to be the end all be all for one year?
I'd love to make the tourney, so if hagans can help with that then it's a no brainer
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A guy whom we have no clue about how he will transition into the college game? Are you kidding me?
Typically if a guy is a top 10 national player he's proooobably gonna be pretty good. Will he be the #1 overall NBA draft pick? Nah, but he would probably have the highest ceiling of anyone on the team from day 1, at a glaring position of need
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Yante and JJ Frazier couldn’t get us into the NCAA Tournament
Which is far more indicative of fox's failure as a coach than it is on those players. I mean by FAR. Take a good competent coach that knows what he's doing and give him a lottery pick and you'd almost have to go braindead or have next to zero other talented players on the roster to not automatically be on teh bubble from game 1.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 10:09 am to WG_Dawg
So I have never been into basketball even at the NBA level. I would occasionally watch Hawks games but since I have moved to Florida they never come on so I've kinda just given up the sport in general. I had a phase when I was in the Air Force when I lived in Wichita and Wichita State had a run to the elite 8 and that was pretty cool but outside of that my interest has never been high.
However, after listening to Crean give interviews I was expecting a weird dude from what everyone else says but he honestly seems like the kind of coach that can win here and recruit here and Im excited to have a good program at UGA because I would like to have some type of program worth rooting for in round ball. If he can just land a few top 100 guys every year this program can win. Crean doesn't' seem weird or odd at all because I was worried about recruiting if he was as odd as people made him out to be.
Also, His recruiting did struggle in state at Indiana later in his career and I never really found a for sure answer for why that was. Either way, I'm rooting for Crean and the team.
However, after listening to Crean give interviews I was expecting a weird dude from what everyone else says but he honestly seems like the kind of coach that can win here and recruit here and Im excited to have a good program at UGA because I would like to have some type of program worth rooting for in round ball. If he can just land a few top 100 guys every year this program can win. Crean doesn't' seem weird or odd at all because I was worried about recruiting if he was as odd as people made him out to be.
Also, His recruiting did struggle in state at Indiana later in his career and I never really found a for sure answer for why that was. Either way, I'm rooting for Crean and the team.
Posted on 3/22/18 at 1:38 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:14 pm to fibonaccisquared
Crean was a solid hire. I am on a Facebook Dawg group and some folks were bashing the hire. I think he will bring some much needed energy to the program. I think recruiting can't get any worse than what it was and
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