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Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:09 am to Gotta have DeZeier
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:09 am to Gotta have DeZeier
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Every single one of our rivals has won a national title since 1980. But we act like we deserve a seat at the table. The fact is with CMR we are just good enough for him not to get fired and to celebrate new years at the Bloomin Onion or Citrus Bowl.
Biggest difference between us and our MNC rivals is how unlucky CMR has been when we have our big yrs. we go 13-1 but two teams we would've frog hammered play for the MNC. Shat happens.
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:10 am to TallyDawg
I think a lot of the major changes we've seen lately is due to CJP. CMR has been the one constant at UGA since 2001, and even though he is a fantastic person, he has been a good, but not great FB coach. I hope he and this FB program wins it all, but I still believe he is only a good FB coach. Nothing more. Would I want my sons to play for CMR? Abso damned lutley! But, I would not expect any championships.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:11 am to Gotta have DeZeier
I agree with you 100%.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:16 am to Crowknowsbest
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I'd rather just hire Pruitt or Bobo. At least recruits, media, and boosters know who they are, and they've been in big programs before so they know what to expect.
I figured I would get eaten alive for suggesting Bobo. But he would be my choice. I honestly hope we CMR wins a natty and retires on top and Bobo comes home.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:24 am to RedPants
No reason for downvotes to be expected. I want this to be an honest and open discussion.
I assure you, I've never even thought the words "it's time to move on" re: Richt but I have to feel we're going in the right direction right now and the pieces should be there for him.
I'm also not taking away what he has done. I won't bother repeating the division titles, winning % and the abundance of 'close calls' to the SECCGs and MNCs. We all know them.
Also - Redpants said this:
- I think this is the result of the Dooley years. Remember, between 80-83 UGA was 43-4-1, 3 time SEC Champs, and 1 time National Champ. That will spoil you (I relate it to the FSU 'run' in the 90's - I assure you the 2000's pissed them off). I think there is still a large contingent that remembers those days and has those same expectations.
I assure you, I've never even thought the words "it's time to move on" re: Richt but I have to feel we're going in the right direction right now and the pieces should be there for him.
I'm also not taking away what he has done. I won't bother repeating the division titles, winning % and the abundance of 'close calls' to the SECCGs and MNCs. We all know them.
Also - Redpants said this:
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This argument is just another one that comes from a good portion of our fans that think we're historically a better program than we actually have been. Aside from the Herschel/Dooley combo years, UGA hasn't been that nationally relevant of a program.
- I think this is the result of the Dooley years. Remember, between 80-83 UGA was 43-4-1, 3 time SEC Champs, and 1 time National Champ. That will spoil you (I relate it to the FSU 'run' in the 90's - I assure you the 2000's pissed them off). I think there is still a large contingent that remembers those days and has those same expectations.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:30 am to WorkinDawg
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Biggest difference between us and our MNC rivals is how unlucky CMR has been when we have our big yrs.
Seriously? The only year we went 13-1 under Richt we lost to a bad Florida team. You can't blame our lack of a title on bad luck when Richt has a history of shitting all over the field against teams he shouldn't lose to. Every. fricking. Year. I'll be happy as anyone else if he brings home a title, and he very well could've had Bobo stayed this year, but I'm not sold on him being able to do it.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:38 am to gulfportdawg
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I think a lot of the major changes we've seen lately is due to CJP
That's a small part of it along with Adams leaving & Jere stepping up to the plate & telling Mcgarity "give CMR whatever he needs to catch up & keep up in the SEC arms race". Aparently there were a few come to Jesus meetings in mid-Dec. where folks were told to either get on the "New Attitude" train or get run over...
McGarity is prolly closer to losing his job currently than CMR is...
CMR is now being given what he needs in terms of support, staff & upgrades... No more excuses, now doubt now that he is "on the clock" & must produce sooner rather than later...
The new Administration has made a commitment to winning & CMR now has to hold up his end of the deal or else...
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 10:40 am
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:38 am to SneakyWaff1es
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Seriously? The only year we went 13-1 under Richt we lost to a bad Florida team.
I think him blaming it on luck isn't focusing on that one game but more the general college football scene. OSU lost to VT at home by two touchdowns last year, but everything else worked out perfectly for them to get into the playoff.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:43 am to Gotta have DeZeier
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CMR hasn't won a conference title since 2005. Which is beyond inexcusable.
Don't really agree since almost every Conference Champion since 2006 has won the National Championship. I mean, it's not like we play in the Big 12 or Big 10 where there are only 2-3 viable teams every year. And we came close in 2012......SOOOOO close. I am as anxious to win a NC as anybody, but to say it is inexcusable is wrong.
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The renewed enthusiasm is because CMR knows he wont be fired because JM just gave him a fat extension and a buyout.
On the contrary...with security usually comes complacence. I woudn't downvote what you are sauing simply because it is your opinion. I think you are wrong, but for all I know you are right and I am wrong. We bot have opinions. I think the renewed enthusiasm has more to do with the hire of Pruitt and some backing of the administration. Pruitt has been a huge difference maker. The defense shows the potential to dominate and recruiting has definitely picked up. I give the credit to Pruitt in bringing new, fresh ideas on how to accomplish this.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:45 am to gulfportdawg
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he has been a good, but not great FB coach.
Depends on what your definition of good and great is. If you think having one of the top 5 or six winning percentages in football is good, then he is good. If it is great, then he is great. Many on here think he is not great because he has never won a NC. Dan marino never won a Super Bowl, but I consider him a great NFL QB.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 10:49 am to SneakyWaff1es
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The only year we went 13-1 under Richt we lost to a bad Florida team.
And in 2008 Florida lost to a shitty Ole Miss team...how bout LSU in '07? Lost to
KENTUCKY and a very medicore Arkansas team but still managed a NC because FIVE teams in front of them lost in the final weekend of the season. So yea,luck does play a part on your path to a championship.Hell,look at AU in '13.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 11:35 am to ATLdawg25
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I think him blaming it on luck isn't focusing on that one game but more the general college football scene. OSU lost to VT at home by two touchdowns last year, but everything else worked out perfectly for them to get into the playoff.
Perzaclty- Hayull, LSU has a MNC with 2 losses. In the grand SEC run, how many teams went undefeated? UGA was unlucky that particular year (and others).
Now do we create our own bad luck? Of course, we've all seen the head scratcher losses. As pointed out earlier- SEC teams with MNC's lost to teams like UK and Ole Miss. And that tOSU VaTech game you reference was pathetic. Another item of "luck"....could tOSU have won the SEC and positioned themselves in the F4 while breaking in 3 QB's? Think playing in the Big10 was pretty lucky for them?
Posted on 5/19/15 at 11:49 am to Crowknowsbest
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I'd rather just hire Pruitt or Bobo. At least recruits, media, and boosters know who they are, and they've been in big programs before so they know what to expect.
My hope is Pruitt is the next HC. Much rather him than Bobo frankly.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 11:51 am to Damn Good Dawg
naw man...CMB is where it is at...CJP will not stay in Athens past 3 seasons...
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:09 pm to SthGADawg
I do not want Bobo as the next HC. I have been adamant about that since 'Nam. Pruitt brings a breath of fresh air. And he may not be but if Richt is retiring by then I can't help but think he'd be at the top of the list. My guess is he goes about it all like Kirby and just waits to get a really good P5 gig.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:12 pm to ATLdawg25
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You have a lot of opinions about how hard Richt is working and how much he has a hand in our current trajectory. I don't think anyone on this board has facts to prove or deny those opinions, so it isn't worth talking about. But if you put anyone else in there (aside from Pruitt - good call there Crow), I don't think we are set up nearly as well for the next 3-4 years.
Then we can agree to disagree. But I dont think that he is the guy to take us to the next level. But there will never be a happier person to be proven wrong in the history of mankind if I am wrong.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:16 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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My hope is Pruitt is the next HC. Much rather him than Bobo frankly.
My point was that I'd rather have either of them over Hudspeth.
Mostly, I think head coaches are figure head face men. I can only think of a few who did notably better at big programs than the level of support they were provided. They all know a ton about football, and most of them are fine at the other stuff. Where you have real problems is if you have a coach that isn't fine at the other stuff.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:22 pm to dallasga6
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McGarity is prolly closer to losing his job currently than CMR is...
CMR is now being given what he needs in terms of support, staff & upgrades... No more excuses, now doubt now that he is "on the clock" & must produce sooner rather than later...
Once again I think everyone that points to McG is just doing so because they dont want to blame CMR.
If we had an IPF, would that have changed us getting the doors blown off of us in Jax? No.
Would having a larger support staff have made CMR kick it deep against the nerds? No.
Would larger salaries for the staff have made CMR overrule Bobo at 1st and goal on the 3? No.
The bottom line is everyone points to winning the east in 11 and 12. Well thats great but what about 2010 where we got beat by UCF in the cotton pickin Liberty Bowl. Or going to Shreveport the year before that.
McG gave CMR the opportunity to right the ship. But he hasnt delivered yet. I hope Jere is giving him just enough rope to hang himself. Otherwise I think we are putting our eggs in a broken basket.
Just my 2 cents
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:27 pm to Gotta have DeZeier
Human error is a reality of coaching and sports in general. Even Saban fricks up a bunch in game. The difference is that Alabama has done what it takes as a program to acquire so much talent that their margin of error is a lot bigger than UGA's is.
No coach UGA will hire is a good bet to be less error prone.
No coach UGA will hire is a good bet to be less error prone.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:27 pm to Crowknowsbest
Nick Saban is way more than a figure head.
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