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Posted on 1/14/22 at 9:03 pm to AlaCowboy
Posted on 1/14/22 at 9:03 pm to AlaCowboy
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So, if scoring is the key to being national Champions
What? I don't think you're following the discussion.
Resident genius H&L was comparing Stetson and Bryce and using those games to somehow push Stetson's superiority because of the difference in scores.I merely pointed out the
fact (something H&L can't stand)that Bryce's performance and Bama's offense wasn't the issue.
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Posted on 1/14/22 at 9:18 pm to lewis and herschel
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Not when you have two first rounders at wrs.... And an overall enormous talent discprepancy with 129 d 1 teams....
yea, still a legit point even though he had 2 elite WR's, and also consider the Bama OL wasnt very good at pass pro this year.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 9:21 pm to lewis and herschel
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Again, scaled stats like QBR, YPA, and Passer Efficiency all go to stet
Once again pulling numbers out your arse.Young had a higher QBR with 300 more plays.So much for "scale"
CFB QBR
Posted on 1/14/22 at 9:46 pm to RD Dawg
Are you frickibg retarded, the Ncaa has stets qbr at 177 and Brice Youngs at 167 as of Jan 11, 2022, you slope headed retard mother fricker.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 10:46 pm to lewis and herschel
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Are you frickibg retarded, the Ncaa has stets qbr at 177 and Brice Youngs at 167 as of Jan 11, 2022, you slope headed retard mother fricker.
I find it funny that you’re calling everyone dumb when you’re confusing QBR with Pass Efficiency.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 10:54 pm to lewis and herschel
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Are you frickibg retarded, the Ncaa has stets qbr at 177 and Brice Youngs at 167 as of Jan 11, 2022,
Did you not read my link? Do you not realize QBR's don't go over 100?
Do you not realize the difference between QBR and passing efficiency?
Keep posting.I love watching folks digging deeper and deeper into idiocy.
ONCE AGAIN CFB QBR 2021
Please read this time
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 1/14/22 at 10:58 pm to Dawgsontop34
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find it funny that you’re calling everyone dumb when you’re confusing QBR with Pass Efficiency
He's not even capable of reading the data in the link I sent.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 4:18 am to lewis and herschel
That is passer efficiency rating.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:33 am to RD Dawg
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Once again pulling numbers out your arse.Young had a higher QBR with 300 more plays.So much for "scale"
CFB QBR
This is strange.
In your link, it does indeed show Bryce Young with the better QBR. If you go to the team statistic link for each team, it shows Bennett with the high QBR.
Both of them ESPN.
WAIT a minute. After looking at the individual on team pages they say Rating. The other link says QBR.
What is the difference? Just a guess that one includes some stats the other one does not...but what would they be? Interesting.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:34 am to djsdawg
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This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 9:39 am
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:38 am to Dawgsontop34
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I find it funny that you’re calling everyone dumb when you’re confusing QBR with Pass Efficiency.
Okay. I didn't call anybody dumb, but I don't know the difference. back when I played and even later on when I kept up with stuff like that (I don't anymore) I don't remember all of these different scales.
Can you explain the difference? I was making the same mistake.
That said, would they not both be stats that could be used? Other people can argue about which is more accurate etc. Honestly, I don't care.
Bryce Young is the better QB. Period. I think it is obvious. DjsDawg and I argue a decent amount, but I agree with him on this point. Young is better, but Stetson was better Monday night...and that is when it counted.
I am just curious about how they are different.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 11:54 am to deeprig9
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to say "we" are saying Stet is better than Brice is a fake argument, nobody is arguing that.
The OP is most definitely arguing just that.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 1:34 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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The OP is most definitely arguing just that.
I saw it more as how each have been judged. What is interesting is, outside of our fanbase, most think he was a great player. Maybe some of y’all knew better?
Posted on 1/15/22 at 3:12 pm to Peter Buck
I am not saying Stet is better, i am saying with in scale Stet is not as far behind as many UGA people think. I am a Sales Executive, i look at metrics as percents not dollars or units because i deal in scale dealing with the largest retailers in the World.
It seems everyone today either thinks a player is all world or sucks.
In my time we recognized that players are all over the spectrum and Stet, while he didnt win the Heisman, he outplayed the Heisman winner when it matted most. Maybe not the entire season, but frankily, to have a player rise up in a window that wins you a NC, thats more important.
Stet got a small window and leveraged it to the max as it pertains to efficiency. Young was given the keys to the kingdom 1 year from leaving Mater Dea to an alltime great CF dynasty.
What Stet did was harder and far more unlikely...
It seems everyone today either thinks a player is all world or sucks.
In my time we recognized that players are all over the spectrum and Stet, while he didnt win the Heisman, he outplayed the Heisman winner when it matted most. Maybe not the entire season, but frankily, to have a player rise up in a window that wins you a NC, thats more important.
Stet got a small window and leveraged it to the max as it pertains to efficiency. Young was given the keys to the kingdom 1 year from leaving Mater Dea to an alltime great CF dynasty.
What Stet did was harder and far more unlikely...
This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 1/15/22 at 4:19 pm to DawgsLife
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am just curious about how they are different
Passing Efficiency in CFB is nothing but pure,raw numbers plugged into a formula that doesn't take into account the strength of the opponent or passing statistics accumulated with a big lead or garbage time.
Some definitions conflate the two but QBR (which obviously weighs the numbers) gives you a better overall snapshot of the QB IMO
Hendon Hooker (UT QB) is a perfect example.He finished 3rd in Efficiency but 16th in QBR because he put up some huge numbers vs not so great competition and some were with 20+ point leads.
This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 1/15/22 at 4:50 pm to RD Dawg
Makes sense! Thanks, man.
And...I will repeat what I have been saying. There should be no doubt that Bryce Young is better. However, I agree that the difference is not as great as many make it out to be.
And, the OP says that was his intent. To show that the difference wasn't as great.
My big problem were the two posters who were calling Bennett trash, posting memes all over the place and saying Kirby Smart didn't know what he was doing.
And...I will repeat what I have been saying. There should be no doubt that Bryce Young is better. However, I agree that the difference is not as great as many make it out to be.
And, the OP says that was his intent. To show that the difference wasn't as great.
My big problem were the two posters who were calling Bennett trash, posting memes all over the place and saying Kirby Smart didn't know what he was doing.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:34 pm to DawgsLife
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Okay. I didn't call anybody dumb, but I don't know the difference. back when I played and even later on when I kept up with stuff like that (I don't anymore) I don't remember all of these different scales.
I definitely wasn’t calling you dumb. As I’m sure you know, I think you’re one of the most respectful posters on our board and tRant in general, if not the most respectful. I wasn’t indicating you were saying that either.
I was talking to Lewis and Herschel. Again, there’s a middle ground that is not that hard to be a part of.
Bryce is absolutely a better QB than Stetson. Stetson was clutch when it matters and I am more than happy he was our QB this year to bring us the Natty.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:38 pm to Dawgsontop34
Well then i will leave you with this, are you really better if you are not better when a National Title is on the line....
BY had a better season until he didnt....
Frankily, its all that matters as it pertains to big boy college football. I could give two shits about another Bama qb looking like shite in the nfl. Same for UGA Qbs in the nfl.
I am the rock the anti stetson crowd can break their selfs apart on.
BY had a better season until he didnt....
Frankily, its all that matters as it pertains to big boy college football. I could give two shits about another Bama qb looking like shite in the nfl. Same for UGA Qbs in the nfl.
I am the rock the anti stetson crowd can break their selfs apart on.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:57 pm to lewis and herschel
I don't really care about the BY vs Stet debate. I just want Stet to get the credit and respect he's earned. With that being said Stetson definitely performed better in the playoffs than BY.
Almost as many yards (537 vs 550) on 29 fewer attempts, more TDs, and 3 fewer INTs than the Heisman winner. This against what is supposed to be the best competition in the country. Stetson gave us every ounce of talent and heart he had and we should be thankful. frick all y'all that want to shite on this kid for coming back.
Almost as many yards (537 vs 550) on 29 fewer attempts, more TDs, and 3 fewer INTs than the Heisman winner. This against what is supposed to be the best competition in the country. Stetson gave us every ounce of talent and heart he had and we should be thankful. frick all y'all that want to shite on this kid for coming back.
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