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Paying College Athletes

Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:09 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:09 pm
Can someone break this down for me or link me to something informative to explain what's going on, exactly? I can't make sense of any of the jabber on the SECR. I did read part of the Kavanaugh opinion, but what exactly does it all mean?

Has NCAA actually announced anything different they are doing?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63882 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 3:06 pm to
I just looked these up, not pulling numbers out of my arse:

In-state tuition at UGA- $12,000 assuming you don't qualify for HOPE in which case you never would have gotten in anyway....


Dorm Room and Dining Hall- $10,000


Stipend - $~4000 (couldn't find a current figure for this, only older figures).


Pell Grant - Between $600 and $6000 depending on family income. Let's say $4000 for the purposes of this exercise.


That's $30,000 to every football player on average, annually, from the superstars to the 4th stringers.

None of this includes the list of intangibles-

-free healthcare with world class physicians
-free drinks
-free transportation
-free tutoring
-everyone wants to be your friend and every girl wants to frick you
-a lifelong network of former players and boosters and "friends of the program" that can help you out throughout life, regardless of your sports career.



Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46420 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 3:32 pm to
The SCOTUS ruling in direct effect simply uphold the ruling already made in NCAA v Alston. Basically, the NCAA has no legal standing to prevent schools from issuing extra educational benefits beyond tuition as it would be a violation of antitrust law. It does NOT force schools to make these payments, it simply allows for them and they are capped at $5900 per athlete per year (via the original trial judge for the case).

In other words, the SECR response is just typical overreaction as has become custom in our society.

Why it is getting a lot of play on social media, radio, and the internet is because it was a rare 9-0 SCOTUS decision that was the legal equivalent of the NCAA tossing up a prayer 3 pointer only to have it swatted back directly in their face (the NCAA is the defendant who chose to send this to the SCOTUS so they needlessly brought the subsequent opinion on themselves) AND because Uber conservative Justice Kavanaugh wrote a blistering concurrence that all but told the NCAA that they’ve been operating under the delusion of antitrust exemption which was only ever so slightly hinted at back in 1983 but has never actually been granted by Congress so quit your shite and start acting within the law like the obvious multi billion dollar industry you are.

Kavanaugh’s concurrence doesn’t directly mean anything right now but it all but refutes use of cases that have been previously ruled in favor of the NCAA in current and future cases (of which there are many and will be many more). It also represents arguably the most scathing shot to the amateurism myth levied by a person of actual legitimate power and will be hard to come back from on a PR level.

In summary, the decision didn’t kill the NCAA but it basically left it defeated and defenseless to future attack. Their only future recourse is plan to fold up shop or get busy unfricking their model to cut athletes into the decisions (doesn’t necessarily have to mean schools paying players but it could)
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 3:36 pm
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 5:34 pm to
They are only guaranteed for one year. They are not guaranteed post play healthcare. They not guaranteed payment for degrees.

They could have kept this under control a bit more if schools had not got out of control with coach pay and TV and sponsorship monies.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22221 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 6:12 pm to
In addition to all those benefits you forgot to mention that most players would not be admitted to the schools they attend if not for their athletic ability.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 6:23 pm to
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In addition to all those benefits you forgot to mention that most players would not be admitted to the schools they attend if not for their athletic ability.


So, the schools make BS degrees and keep the players away from the GenPop kinda defeating the whole purpose of the College thing…
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63882 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 6:30 pm to
I agree and why I only hinted at this factor in my Hope comment.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63882 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 6:32 pm to
And that's only for a small portion of the overall athletic scholarship population. Not every college athlete is Todd Gurley or some other gifted fast-tracker to millions on the other side.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63882 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 6:34 pm to
Nick Chubb didn't major in basket weaving. He got an ag mgt degree to help him use his short term nfl wealth to build up generational wealth for his family and extended family with agribusiness.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 6/22/21 at 7:27 pm to
Chubb is good people and likely would have gone to college if he was slow and fat like Jefferson. He, unfortunately, is an exception.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63882 posts
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:22 pm to
JD's obesity, and propensity to get invited on hikes through bear country with others, has nothing to do with the inherent racism of your last comment, unfortunately.
Posted by Griffindawg
Member since Oct 2013
6127 posts
Posted on 6/25/21 at 7:48 am to
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inherent racism

Oh Jesus. You subscribe to CRT I see.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25567 posts
Posted on 6/25/21 at 8:49 am to
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inherent racism

Oh Jesus. You subscribe to CRT I see.

Lol
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49234 posts
Posted on 7/1/21 at 11:39 am to
The biggest mistake by the NCAA was not allowing athletes to profit of their names. It was always asinine that players were getting suspended for selling autographs and jerseys. Maybe if the NCAA wasn't so greedy then we wouldn't be here
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63882 posts
Posted on 7/1/21 at 11:55 am to
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The biggest mistake by the NCAA was not allowing athletes to profit of their names. It was always asinine that players were getting suspended for selling autographs and jerseys.


No, then you'd have bidding wars "Come to Bama we'll buy 1000 autographs at $100/ea." "No, come to Clemson we'll buy 2000 autographs at $100/ea".

There are too many ways to essentially launder money to players to allow anything but a Draconian rule against it.


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Maybe if the NCAA wasn't so greedy


I know the prevalent idea is that it's the NCAA's greed, but truly there is the idea that NCAA was honestly trying to maintain some level of integrity in the amateurism of it all. The really good players were always going to get rich anyway in a couple years. The only thing I think the NCAA could have done to stave this off longer would have been a one and done like basketball, but for football. The kids that have no business being in college, yet have incredible athletic ability worth millions, should have been able to leap out after a year. The fans (myself included) would have gone apeshit, but in hindsight, I believe that would have prevented the situation we're in now.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46420 posts
Posted on 7/1/21 at 12:22 pm to
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The only thing I think the NCAA could have done to stave this off longer would have been a one and done like basketball, but for football. The kids that have no business being in college, yet have incredible athletic ability worth millions, should have been able to leap out after a year.

That has never been the NCAA’s call, though. One and done is an NBA creation that the NCAA took advantage of. NFL wants the 3 years free development and NFLPA doesn’t want younger and cheaper talent diluting the market.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59611 posts
Posted on 7/1/21 at 12:59 pm to
I hope AJ Green and Todd Gurley tell the NCAA to kiss their arse on principle, today
This post was edited on 7/1/21 at 1:10 pm
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49234 posts
Posted on 7/1/21 at 1:16 pm to
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you'd have bidding wars "Come to Bama we'll buy 1000 autographs at $100/ea." "No, come to Clemson we'll buy 2000 autographs at $100/ea".

We already have teams like Bama and a few others dominating the recurring trail. Yall act like the big schools aren't already crushing it. At least here the kids can make money of themselves instead of just the schools and you have less of a chance of big schools racking up all the five stars because smaller schools can pitch the idea of being the main star instead of sitting behind a bunch of other five stars
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NCAA was honestly trying to maintain some level of integrity in the amateurism

That's a weak argument at best. Point is the schools and NCAA were making millions of the players and wouldn't allow something as simple as selling shoes or jerseys. The NCAA was always in the wrong here
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63882 posts
Posted on 7/1/21 at 3:24 pm to
The millions made by ncaa props up the 98% of sports programs that don't make money.
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:08 am to
quote:

The only thing I think the NCAA could have done to stave this off longer would have been a one and done like basketball, but for football. The kids that have no business being in college, yet have incredible athletic ability worth millions, should have been able to leap out after a year.


Or, alternatively, a minor league system could be set up, so people with no business being in college wouldn't ever have to *be in college*. But, if the NCAA is gonna do it for free, that makes it tough to compete with.
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