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OU vs UGA - Misconceptions
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:53 pm
Greetings from a Sooner fan who married a Georgia Peach! :) 
I've been dreading while simultaneously looking forward to this game since I moved to Georgia 20 years ago. :)
I was at the UGA/Tenn game when we beat Tennessee for the first time in what seemed like forever. Donnan was the coach. I've never yelled so much in my life. I lost my voice that day! :) So, I'm a UGA fan of sorts but a die hard Sooner fan at the same time. This game is kinda like kissing your sister to me.
I come here in peace to just discuss college football - the greatest sport known to man. I love this game.
For my first post, I want to talk about what I think are misconceptions from both fan bases. Here are my thoughts in no particular order...
1. The OU Defense isn't any good.
Historically, when you look at games OU has played against SEC opponents, with the exception of the 2012 Johnny Manziel game, OU actually plays pretty well. Yes. We can suck. Bad too. But normally that is against high-octane extremly efficient spread offenses where we get on our heels and just collapse.
Over the last decade...
In 2008, we played FL and held them to their lowest score of the season. Yes we lost. But it wasn't our defense's fault.
In 2012, we played aTm w/ Johnny Manziel. He humiliated us.... IMO, 2nd worst game we've played in last 20 years.
In 2013, we played Bama and held them to 31, tieing their second lowest score of the season
In 2014, we played Tenn and held them to 10 points. Their 3rd lowest output of the year
In 2015, we played Tenn. They scored 24.Bama/Ark/Mizzou held them to fewer points than we did. Every other SEC school gave up more.
In 2016, we played Auburn. I belive the general consencus is that this was an abberation year for Auburn. 3 SEC schools also held them below 20.
Note that each of the above years was just like this year. Statistically, the OU D sucked.
In short, the OU defense has played defense pretty well against SEC schools. We generally play as well as SEC schools do against each other. Normally even a little better. I honestly don't think we'll suck against UGA unless you change your offensive style and run a Mason Rudolf type of game.
2. The UGA passing game isn't any good
My fellow Sooner fans seem to think that UGA can't throw.
But they can. They just choose to run 70% of the time. So, there's no way they're going to put up Big XII passing numbers. It is by design. They thow to mix things up and keep the defense honest, and frankly when the numbers call for it. They're efficient when they need to be. I think they're like the OU defense. Good enough when they need to be and better than it appears.
3. The UGA defense is overrated
Yep. My fellow Sooner fans believe this. They argue the reverse argument people use against the OU offense.
They point to the statistical ranking of your opponents offensivly. 5 schools that rank worse than 100. So the defense is overrated because the offenses they've played aren't any good, right? No.
It seems to escape people that one contributor to the low rankings of UGA's oppenents offensively is that they had to play UGA in the first place.
The UGA D is very good. It will probably be one of the top 3 defenses we've faced. It may even prove to be the single best defense we've faced all year.
I do believe stats can lie. But only if you're not paying attention to what you're looking at. The UGA D is legit.
4. The OU offense is overrated
See above. The UGA defense is overrated... :)
Final thoughts...
I think this game will go like most games we play against SEC teams.
UGA will be one of the tougher defenses we face while we will be one of the tougher offenses they face. OU's defense will do better than expected becuase just play better against pro-stle offenses. The outcome is unknown and I think any fan who's confident about his game is fooling themselves. OU won't score a much as we're used to while scoring more than UGA is used to giving up. That's pretty much how I think it will go.
When you get this late in the season, and earn a spot in the playoffs, no one sucks. I think it will be a good game.
Who do I think will win? UGA.
But that's because I can be pessimistic and always predict OU will lose. I even called the Iowa State loss correctly.
Fortunately for me, I'm wrong most of the time LOL.
Thoughts?
I've been dreading while simultaneously looking forward to this game since I moved to Georgia 20 years ago. :)
I was at the UGA/Tenn game when we beat Tennessee for the first time in what seemed like forever. Donnan was the coach. I've never yelled so much in my life. I lost my voice that day! :) So, I'm a UGA fan of sorts but a die hard Sooner fan at the same time. This game is kinda like kissing your sister to me.
I come here in peace to just discuss college football - the greatest sport known to man. I love this game.
For my first post, I want to talk about what I think are misconceptions from both fan bases. Here are my thoughts in no particular order...
1. The OU Defense isn't any good.
Historically, when you look at games OU has played against SEC opponents, with the exception of the 2012 Johnny Manziel game, OU actually plays pretty well. Yes. We can suck. Bad too. But normally that is against high-octane extremly efficient spread offenses where we get on our heels and just collapse.
Over the last decade...
In 2008, we played FL and held them to their lowest score of the season. Yes we lost. But it wasn't our defense's fault.
In 2012, we played aTm w/ Johnny Manziel. He humiliated us.... IMO, 2nd worst game we've played in last 20 years.
In 2013, we played Bama and held them to 31, tieing their second lowest score of the season
In 2014, we played Tenn and held them to 10 points. Their 3rd lowest output of the year
In 2015, we played Tenn. They scored 24.Bama/Ark/Mizzou held them to fewer points than we did. Every other SEC school gave up more.
In 2016, we played Auburn. I belive the general consencus is that this was an abberation year for Auburn. 3 SEC schools also held them below 20.
Note that each of the above years was just like this year. Statistically, the OU D sucked.
In short, the OU defense has played defense pretty well against SEC schools. We generally play as well as SEC schools do against each other. Normally even a little better. I honestly don't think we'll suck against UGA unless you change your offensive style and run a Mason Rudolf type of game.
2. The UGA passing game isn't any good
My fellow Sooner fans seem to think that UGA can't throw.
But they can. They just choose to run 70% of the time. So, there's no way they're going to put up Big XII passing numbers. It is by design. They thow to mix things up and keep the defense honest, and frankly when the numbers call for it. They're efficient when they need to be. I think they're like the OU defense. Good enough when they need to be and better than it appears.
3. The UGA defense is overrated
Yep. My fellow Sooner fans believe this. They argue the reverse argument people use against the OU offense.
They point to the statistical ranking of your opponents offensivly. 5 schools that rank worse than 100. So the defense is overrated because the offenses they've played aren't any good, right? No.
It seems to escape people that one contributor to the low rankings of UGA's oppenents offensively is that they had to play UGA in the first place.
The UGA D is very good. It will probably be one of the top 3 defenses we've faced. It may even prove to be the single best defense we've faced all year.
I do believe stats can lie. But only if you're not paying attention to what you're looking at. The UGA D is legit.
4. The OU offense is overrated
See above. The UGA defense is overrated... :)
Final thoughts...
I think this game will go like most games we play against SEC teams.
UGA will be one of the tougher defenses we face while we will be one of the tougher offenses they face. OU's defense will do better than expected becuase just play better against pro-stle offenses. The outcome is unknown and I think any fan who's confident about his game is fooling themselves. OU won't score a much as we're used to while scoring more than UGA is used to giving up. That's pretty much how I think it will go.
When you get this late in the season, and earn a spot in the playoffs, no one sucks. I think it will be a good game.
Who do I think will win? UGA.
But that's because I can be pessimistic and always predict OU will lose. I even called the Iowa State loss correctly.
Fortunately for me, I'm wrong most of the time LOL.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 12/6/17 at 9:03 pm to soonerdawg
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Thoughts?
Dawgs 34-27
Posted on 12/6/17 at 9:04 pm to soonerdawg
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Thoughts?
DirtyDawg gets thrown into LAPD's drunk tank and all of dawgrant will make previous LA riots look like a practice.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 9:10 pm to soonerdawg
Posted on 12/6/17 at 9:31 pm to soonerdawg
Truth is nobody has a clue how this will play out. Look at the UGA games against AU this year. Two completely opposite outcomes. A lot depends on who's mind is right when they show up.
OU thinks they can throw it all over the yard and stop our rushing game. We think we can run at will and slow down Mayfield. Either could happen. Both teams have outscored their opponents by a hefty margin using different approaches.
I think we will wear them down, control the clock and slowly rack up points. I think OU will have success throwing. Whoever does a better job of executing their game plan and can somehow slow down the other team will win.
Simple right?
OU thinks they can throw it all over the yard and stop our rushing game. We think we can run at will and slow down Mayfield. Either could happen. Both teams have outscored their opponents by a hefty margin using different approaches.
I think we will wear them down, control the clock and slowly rack up points. I think OU will have success throwing. Whoever does a better job of executing their game plan and can somehow slow down the other team will win.
Simple right?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 9:48 pm to soonerdawg
We run proset maybe 20% of the time, balance is spread. If we line up in proset, it means we don't respect your d line and plan to maul you at the Los and use play action passing to soften the box. Though we have several long TD runs where we ran into a 9 man box and cleared to open field.
Pass rush, you will not have seen anything close to ours. We made Stidham not want to play anymore, he was throwing balls in the turf in the second half. Crowd noise was on our side in game two and will be in the Rose.
Tackling, we hit you and you go down.
Fromm, way under rated arm talent. He can make every throw with zip and accuracy. We you are averaging 5+ yards a carry, why throw.
Pass rush, you will not have seen anything close to ours. We made Stidham not want to play anymore, he was throwing balls in the turf in the second half. Crowd noise was on our side in game two and will be in the Rose.
Tackling, we hit you and you go down.
Fromm, way under rated arm talent. He can make every throw with zip and accuracy. We you are averaging 5+ yards a carry, why throw.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 9:51 pm to soonerdawg
1. I don't give a rats arse what OU's defense has done historically against SEC schools. It has no affect on this game.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:01 pm to lewis and herschel
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9 man box
You realize the tackle box extends from the outside shoulders of the offensive tackles and only extends out about 4 yards towards the defense essentially to linebacker depth.....show me where we had 9 players stacked in the box because if that's the case we have some receivers uncovered that we should throwing to.
Here is a 5 man box or what I call a 3-2 box. 3 defensive lineman and 2 linebackers.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:07 pm to DaveyDownerDawg
I think of the box differently, bunch formations with multiple wr blocking (crack back) I see it all the time. 2 safety's are what's left when they aren't walked up as well. Basically everyone on the line of scrimmage and they don't know if the bunch is running pass routes or sealing the edge.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:11 pm to lewis and herschel
You are wrong.
Look at my previous post as I explain this.
Look at my previous post as I explain this.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:18 pm to DaveyDownerDawg
I get the tackle box explanation.
But view it the old way where teams had two actual TEs on the line, which is in essence what we use the bunch to do, create and un balanced line at the point of attack, it stretches the width of the box functionally as defenders are forced up where a defensive end should be.. Ironically we just use it as a decoy most times and go to the weakside of the field
But view it the old way where teams had two actual TEs on the line, which is in essence what we use the bunch to do, create and un balanced line at the point of attack, it stretches the width of the box functionally as defenders are forced up where a defensive end should be.. Ironically we just use it as a decoy most times and go to the weakside of the field
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:19 pm to DaveyDownerDawg
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Pass rush, you will not have seen anything close to ours.
I've been watching UGA football for over 25 years. Been to several games in person. The D this year is good. But if your perception is that OU will be overwhelmed with the UGA defensive pass ruch, I think that is another misconception.
It would be like an OU fan saying you haven't seen a passing attack like the Sooners have and implying you're going to be overwhelmed.
OU does have one or two offensive linemen on scholarship, I know because I've checked.
They've done this a lot, and I think they'll be ready to hold their own. Going to be a good game!
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:22 pm to soonerdawg
Your defense absolutely is weak. Your 20 year history vs the SEC is less relevant than the diameter of my beagle's last turd.
This isn't about B1G vs SEC.
This is about OU vs UGA.
OU's defense, this year, is not prepared to handle UGA's offense.
OU's defense is soft, not physical, not capable of getting smacked in the mouth over and over and over and over and over again for four quarters.
Georgia is going to score 40 points on OU.
Now..... OU's offense is obviously highly capable of scoring a shite load of points too.
But lets stop with all this "OU has a good defense" crap.
This isn't about B1G vs SEC.
This is about OU vs UGA.
OU's defense, this year, is not prepared to handle UGA's offense.
OU's defense is soft, not physical, not capable of getting smacked in the mouth over and over and over and over and over again for four quarters.
Georgia is going to score 40 points on OU.
Now..... OU's offense is obviously highly capable of scoring a shite load of points too.
But lets stop with all this "OU has a good defense" crap.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:23 pm to soonerdawg
Lorenzo is the second fastest player on a team with a ton of range, he is our outside linebacker slash defensive end.
Roquan is the best defensive player in the country and does not miss.
There is no misconception here.
Roquan is the best defensive player in the country and does not miss.
There is no misconception here.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:33 pm to soonerdawg
Much like every other football game that's ever been played. This game will be decided by the big nasties in the trenches.
OU has a pretty damn good O-line and as a Georgia fan, it's definitely a cause for concern.
The question is if Georgia can establish the run. That, we won't know until New Years. Only thing I know for sure, Michel and Chubb didn't come back for their senior year to play soft football. For a Sooner team that's had such trouble finishing tackles, I would be very worried about arm-tackling DB's trying to take down Michel/Chubb when they get going downhill.
OU has a pretty damn good O-line and as a Georgia fan, it's definitely a cause for concern.
The question is if Georgia can establish the run. That, we won't know until New Years. Only thing I know for sure, Michel and Chubb didn't come back for their senior year to play soft football. For a Sooner team that's had such trouble finishing tackles, I would be very worried about arm-tackling DB's trying to take down Michel/Chubb when they get going downhill.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:34 pm to soonerdawg
This season, has OU played a team that did a good job with time of possession, keeping Mayfield on the sideline?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:36 pm to soonerdawg
Setting all the BS aside, if we can hold OU to under 30 points we have a very good chance of winning the game. I think our defense will be an unpleasant surprise for OU, and I think our offense will be as well.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:37 pm to lewis and herschel
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Lorenzo is the second fastest player on a team with a ton of range, he is our outside linebacker slash defensive end.
Roquan is the best defensive player in the country and does not miss.
No, he's right about this.
Our pass rush has been shitty this year, by the numbers. Sure, we've made lots of great plays, sacked QB's, stripped balls and tipped passes, but so does every defense. We haven't stood out in this regard, this year.
That said.... this has been by design. We rarely bring more than 4.
Tucker and Kirby have decided they'd rather have help in coverage than blitz the QB.
Who am I to question them?
It doesn't mean our pass rush sucks... but to say we are going to whip their OL rushing only 4 is false.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:41 pm to Snazzmeister
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For a Sooner team that's had such trouble finishing tackles
Thank you for saying this.
It's absolutely true.
The narrative of this game is being set up as "OU's stellar offense vs UGA's stellar defense" but I think the final narrative on gameday is going to be "UGA's oppressive dominant offense vs OU's weak ill-prepared defense".
I truly believe this. I have foreseent it.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 10:42 pm to lewis and herschel
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Pass rush, you will not have seen anything close to ours.
I have also seen a practically nonexistent pass rush from our defense far too often. This is why Missouri, Vandy and Auburn in the first encounter completed lots of passes and scored plenty of points against us. And considering Mayfield is a considerable running threat I think our pass rush strategy will be more one of containment watching for those prolific screen passes rather than full blown pass rushing.
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