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re: OU vs UGA - Misconceptions

Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:55 pm to
He’s gonna try and squirm, which makes it fell better.
Posted by Hullabaloo
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:05 pm to
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:29 pm to
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Here is where it originated. It's not some made up bull shite.


Nobody said it was made up, did they? Why does everybody get their feelings hurt if another poster disagrees with them? WG agreed with me. Do you honestly believe that a LB is going to out run our fastest receivers? All of our CB's? Stop and think about it.


No. I knew it wasn't made up. A couple of our players even said it was true after the game that week on television., too. But if people will just stop and think for a minute, they would realize that it simply isn't true.

I'll tell you what, though. If you bookmark this thread, and he runs a wildly spectacular 40 at the combine, I will be glad to apologize to you. Just remember, we probably have CB's and WR's that are running 4.4's or 4.3's.

Just as an example, here are some 40 times from a few years ago. Do you honestly believe that Lorenzo is as fast as these guys, or do you think our team has slowed down that much?

LINK
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:40 pm to
We had a post about this back when the comment was made the first time around. There is a literal zero percent chance that Lorenzo is the second fastest person on this team in a foot race... if you wanna talk about game speed, reaction time, etc... then you might have a chance. But destined for a red shirt, Eric Stokes ran a 10.39 100M... that's fricking fast. Ameer Speed also ran a 10.39, but was definitely wind assisted... probably closer to a 10.5. Still fast AF. Nate McBride ran a 10.71.

Compared to Lorenzo Carter's fastest 100M split (from HS as the above) of 11.30. He's fast... but he's not shaving a second off of his 100M time while putting on the muscle mass required of him to be as good at OLB as he is.

Haven't seen track times on Ahkil Crumpton, but would be willing to take a stab that it's probably fast based on what we've seen from him thus far.
Posted by AirDawg
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:43 pm to
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If your offense trades scores with your opponent, TOP doesn't really matter.


I get what you are saying, but this is where our defense steps in...

We find ways to create turnovers and kill drives. If/when this happens we tend to score. No more trading scores and the separation begins. Then you add in the physicality factor and our guys are punishing your skill players. In the beginning it may not have an effect, but as the game grinds on so does the bruising. This creates more potential for turnovers and injuries.

Don't get us wrong. We respect your offense, but it is because of that respect that our guys will be as physical as possible. OU will have to earn every positive in this game.

What worries me is if our own guys party too much and we struggle to create pressure up front and things get out of control. Hopefully this is where composure comes in...
Posted by lewis and herschel
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:44 pm to
Track speed doesnt always translate. Many are just stick on that.

The comparison was based on real world GPS times in football situational on grass.

You know, how football is actually played.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:49 pm to
If I say I'm faster than you and you disagree, what are we going to do? Line up and run a race...

If you want to say that Lorenzo is faster in the game or in practice, that's fine... but he's simply not "the second fastest person on the team"...
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:51 pm to
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The comparison was based on real world GPS times in football situational on grass.

You know, how football is actually played.




Ok. Carter is second fastest player on the team.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:54 pm to
If it was 1980 sure, but we have the tech to actually see speed as it pertains to real world situations.

Knowshon did not have great track speed but in pads dbs could not catch him. The long run vs lsu comes to mind.

Herschel, well, track speed did translate.
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 3:56 pm
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 4:05 pm to
Unrelated to this recent diatribe and back on topic... here was an article from Thamel with quotes from coaches who played Oklahoma or Georgia this season:
LINK

Georgia:
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“The biggest thing with Georgia, and the biggest difference since Kirby Smart took over there, is just how hard they play. That’s not a little thing, it’s a huge thing. And along with playing a lot harder, they are also playing a lot faster. That’s a hard combination. And they are playing a lot harder this year than last year. And much harder than the year before that, which means he has the whole culture of the program heading in the right direction.

“Defensively, they are talented but it seems as if the sum is better than their parts. They have good players and good speed, but they’re not all that big for an SEC team. But they’re very athletic and can run sideline-to-sideline.

“Everything starts defensively with Roquan Smith. He’s one of the best linebackers we saw in the SEC this year. He can really run and make plays. He looked fast on film, but when I saw him live I was still shocked at how fast he was. He was back-dooring some zone runs and counter plays, it was stunning. Up front, no one stands out, but they do a really nice job rotating six or seven guys up front.

“The big question in this game will be the quarterback, Jake Fromm. They really haven’t asked him to do that much, which is smart because he’s a freshman. He’s out of the old game manager mold, which makes sense considering how they’ve been built. He’s only throwing the ball 17 times per game, but he’s been very consistent in doing what he’s doing.

“Georgia’s strength is that they’re going to beat you methodically. The combination of Nick Chubb and Sony Michel will slowly wear you out. They are both excellent backs. They’re going to rely on them to win this game. When they got beat by Auburn the first time, they couldn’t run the ball. In the SEC title game, they did a better job putting the quarterback in position to make plays with out routes and stick routes that he can complete. And that allows them to get the run game going.”


Oklahoma:
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“I don’t think Oklahoma has a great chance to win the national championship. The only way they’ll do it is if Baker Mayfield wills them there. Playing against Georgia in the semifinal, which isn’t explosive offensively, gives them a much better chance. They’re not great in the secondary, which makes them vulnerable to a good passing team. And how much do you trust Mike Stoops to make the right adjustments?

“Early on this year, everyone was throwing at No. 7 [Jordan Thomas], but he’s been hurt and hasn’t played a lot in the second half of the year. They’re not bad in the secondary, they’re just not great.

“Star defensive end Ogbonnia Okoronkwo is a pretty good player. But the question with Oklahoma is that they haven’t gone up against a team like Alabama, Clemson or Georgia that has the type of front that can neutralize him. When they see a big line, I definitely think they’ll be in a bit of a panic. This is different than Kansas State.

“On the offensive line, Orlando Brown is pretty good. There’s no one on that line where you can say: ‘We’re going to exploit the [heck] out of that guy.’ They’re solid. No one panics. But the whole key here is Mayfield, that [little rascal] just keeps making everyone miss. He keeps moving his feet and then fires a piss rocket 25 yards down the field. Arguably, that’s the best portion of their offense. You end up being a lot less apt to bring pressure because he just keeps sliding out of it.

“It will be interesting to see how they match up with a more physical team. I think Mark Andrews, their stud tight end, is a little bit soft. Go watch tape. He’s huge [6-foot-5 and 254 pounds] and hasn’t blocked anyone this year.

“Oklahoma only has like two run plays – counter and a wide zone. I’d think they are going to put everyone possible in the box and it’ll be interesting to see if CeeDee Lamb and Marquise Brown can stretch the field. But this whole game is going to be about Mayfield and how Georgia reacts to him scrambling. He never drops back to pass. That’s hurt him in the [NFL] draft process. But it works here. They run play-action, bubbles and smoke behind the line of scrimmage. But the hardest part is how to react when protection breaks down. Watch. Out.”
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 4:07 pm to
Let’s all agree that Mayfield is going to have his child, though Roquan may ask for a paternity test..... Just to be clear, they are going to track his slippery white arse down and sodomize him, repeatedly, finishing inside of him until he weeps. It will be beautiful.
Posted by deeprig9
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 5:37 pm to
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On the offensive line, Orlando Brown is pretty good. There’s no one on that line where you can say: ‘We’re going to exploit the [heck] out of that guy.’ They’re solid. No one panics. But the whole key here is Mayfield, that [little rascal] just keeps making everyone miss. He keeps moving his feet and then fires a piss rocket 25 yards down the field. Arguably, that’s the best portion of their offense. You end up being a lot less apt to bring pressure because he just keeps sliding out of it.



I wonder which potty-mouthed coach this is. "piss rocket" is a good one.
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