re: OT: Corona Panic 2020

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acting like anyone who wants us to control this wants to crash the economy.

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1: This isn't controllable. This is fact.

2: Pretending to think you can control it is ignorance or theater. Maybe a mix of both. This is fact.

3: Your futile attempts to control it are crashing the economy. This is fact.


Please educate me.

Ok I will blame Trump now. You are right. I have finally seen the darkness.

DJS, this ones for you down in your bunker. This is actual people going to hospitals to see the mass hysteria and crazy long lines and dead bodies on the street.... LINK

Looks like the only time the media shows a long line is when it’s the middle of the day and people are waiting for a walk-up test. That or no ones at the hospitals cause they are all dead and Trump didn’t do enough, early enough.

I think you should turn your TV off of the liberal MSM. They are creating more panic for people on purpose. I think Freeform is having a movie marathon today that seems right up your alley. Maybe you should check that out instead of CNN and MSNPC

ETA: Just talked with one of my best friends who is a Dr. at the biggest facility in Cincinnati (same place Otto Warmbier was taken) and he said they are now forcing mandatory PO from most of the staff amid empty ORs and ER. Ohio...where the governor said they probably had 1M cases or whatever.

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The looming disaster will be massive in the US. No other developed nation is less prepared.

I think that 1,000,000 deaths is the minimum.

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Absolutely remarkable. I've said it many times, these epidemiologists are getting their jollies off right now. They have all been waiting a lifetime to get this type of attention and throw around their modeling programs and algorithms. They are looking for more funding, prestige and publications from all this. Not a single one is doing a cross reference modeling against economy vs future deaths with incorporating simple safety measures, like washing hands and if you are high risk, being more careful. All these models had our healthcare system crashing 3 weeks ago, 2 weeks, last week, now next week, or in 2 weeks....And you still have DoesntknowJackShit sitting in his bunker saying this administration hasn't done enough. Pathetic

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About 2x as many people are murdered with guns per year in the US as have died from COVID19 so far

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If we want to get into a gun control debate, I’m sure DJs is fine with that as well

The good news is.

I know how to handle models!

Boom.

It's all just one big arse conspiracy to them so they can protect their orange God. Oh the hospitals aren't overrun yet so therefore they won't be overrun at all. If we did what they're suggesting we'd be like Italy right now. Obviously we can't keep the country shut down for too long but we need to soften the blow that will come when we hit the peak and once the fall comes around we need to be better prepared for the second surge

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No other developed nation is less prepared.

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Then you should read some of these articles:

CEO World Magazine

Business Insider

Forbes

All of these publications ranked the United States as being the best prepared for the CornaVirus over every other country in the world, yet you claim we are the worst?

I'm not one to say we will be in great shape, but if we are the best prepared, then wouldn't you say:
1) You are wrong about out preparedness
2) Trump has done a better job with preparedness than any other Leader in the world?

The NY Times has lost all credibility on the subject for me. Here is an article slamming Trump for our preparedness:

In 2005, the federal government sought to assess how a respiratory-related pandemic might play out in the United States. Its report estimated that a severe influenza pandemic would require mechanical ventilators for 740,000 critically ill people.

So, in 2005 the study they quoted said we needed 740,000 ventilators....minimum.

Only about 62,000 full-featured ventilators were in hospitals across the country, a 2010 study found.

Who was the President of the United States in 2010?

So, by their own article, Obama was 678,000 ventilators short when the Swine Flu Pandemic hit. Where was the outrage and all the articles about our ill preparedness then? Where was NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC railing nightly about how we were ill prepared and and all of the deaths would lay at the feet of Obama because he had the information and did nothing to prepare for the Swine Flu?

Seems odd that nothing was said in 2010 and all the attention that is being given today.


Like I said, this may turn out to be worse. Well have to wait and see. but don't be pointing fingers unless you are willing to point fingers in directions you may not be comfortable with.

Now...keep in mind that in 2010, the NY Times said we had 62,000 ventilators.

Ventilators help patients breathe when they can't on their own. A February report reveals that the US has about 170,000 ventilators.

Business Insider

Business Insider reports this past February the United States had 170,000.

Now, I am not prepared to say trump made up the difference....I have no idea. But we seemed to have found 108,000 ventilators from somewhere. This is exactly why it is difficult to listen to the MSM and believe anything they say.

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I doubt that our mortality rate will be as high as Italy

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That's really the only say to compare. They have a population of 60 million. We have one of 327 million.

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US deaths will dwarf those of Italy

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Our population dwarfs theirs.

The Stanford scientist whose posts I linked argues that mitigation isn't going to help enough. He concluded that we would be in great shape if we would only lock down from 3 to 7 weeks. With mitigation there will still be so many cases that hospitals are overwhelmed. It's either bite the bullet hard or say goodbye to the healthcare system and the economy.