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Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:32 pm to
Posted by CalDawg
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:32 pm to
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Did you watch the game? The D-Line played well...

Lol! Did YOU watch the game? 243 rush yards, plenty between the tackles. You're freaking insane.

From How Iowa's Mishmashed O-Line DOMINATED Ohio State's Vaunted D-Line.

...Iowa’s junior center had plenty reason to smile. After a string of underwhelming Big Ten Conference performances, Daniels and his young, injury-riddled, mishmashed offensive line outclassed Ohio State’s vaunted front seven. It paved the way for 243 yards and season-best totals for Akrum Wadley (118 yards) and James Butler (75 yards).

And what’s more? That all happened against the Buckeyes’ best rush defense in eight years — one that entered the game 10th in the country in rushing yards allowed, and one that’d just held Heisman favorite Saquon Barkley to 44 yards on 21 carries...
Posted by JackTraven
Maryland
Member since Aug 2016
5581 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 7:55 am to
Ohio State also did a pretty decent job on defense against OU for about 68% of the game. OU moved the ball but they forced a couple turnovers and got some special teams mistakes. It was 3-3 at half time.

OU definitely flexed in the fourth quarter but it was also in conjunction with JT Barrett reverting to some of his worst habits and throwing every ball into the ground instead of to his teammates. OSU collapsed as much as OU pulled away.

I'm not trying to discredit the win but I think people are forgetting that it didn't turn one-sided until the fourth quarter and could have gone either way until Oklahoma flexed. That personally scares me for our game.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25593 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:04 am to
UGA was forcing field goals and punts in the DSOR. But all of the penalties extending drives and the fumbled punt return took its toll.
By the end of the game, we couldn't stop a dive play with our 1s even when we knew the play call.

We need the offense's help.
We need to play sound/smart.
If both of those happens, I can see a double-digit win. But the last place that we want to be is close in the 4th quarter with the ball in Mayfield's hands.

I'm all about the running game until the 2 minute drill. That is when playmakers make plays (offensively and defensively).
Posted by Boomer2797
Member since Dec 2017
37 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:48 am to
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Ohio State also did a pretty decent job on defense against OU for about 68% of the game. OU moved the ball but they forced a couple turnovers and got some special teams mistakes. It was 3-3 at half time. OU definitely flexed in the fourth quarter but it was also in conjunction with JT Barrett reverting to some of his worst habits and throwing every ball into the ground instead of to his teammates. OSU collapsed as much as OU pulled away. I'm not trying to discredit the win but I think people are forgetting that it didn't turn one-sided until the fourth quarter and could have gone either way until Oklahoma flexed. That personally scares me for our game.


Eh, OU moved the ball at will and just kept shooting themselves in the foot. If you want to credit their defense with that, fine, but the game was one-sided the entire time. In the first half, 222 yds vs 92 yds. In the 2nd, OU scored TD's on 4/6 drives. One was a 3 and out punt, the other was a time-eating drive that put the game away.

Not an unfair take by any means, but from my perspective the game wasn't as close as the score indicates. But if OU comes out against Georgia and has a first half similar to the tOSU game, I'm not sure we get away with it. I'm not one of the people expecting an easy game. I think it's going to be close and hard-fought, and that's if our defense shows up.

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Lol! Did YOU watch the game?


Nope lol ;-). But most of those rushing yards came in the 2nd half when the game was in hand. They only had 75 rush yds in the first half, and 30 of those yds came on one play. Iowa's passing game torched the tOSU secondary and wore out the defense, and in this case, the pass set up the run game later on. I'd also put more blame on the LBs but ¯\_(?)_/¯


Posted by JackTraven
Maryland
Member since Aug 2016
5581 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 11:03 am to
I'm 100% with you on this. We corrected most of the sloppiness between DSOR 1 and DSOR 2.

Hopefully it sticks (and thank goodness it's a different reffing crew).
Posted by Buddy2012
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
2861 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 12:48 pm to
Was Kansas State one of those top offenses that OU faced? They scored 35 on OU yet Vandy held them to 7.
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 1:57 pm
Posted by rg34
Member since Nov 2017
1 post
Posted on 12/22/17 at 1:25 pm to
Might oughta correct that to Kansas State.
Posted by JackTraven
Maryland
Member since Aug 2016
5581 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 1:25 pm to
Yeah, you all moved the ball but OSU was at least able to hang in there on defense. I think if we can do that and limit the mistakes UGA will be in good shape but the OU explosiveness really makes me nervous. Regardless, that's a heck of a win on the road early in the season.

I guess my broader point is the awesome thing about this matchup is from my perspective, neither team has a frame of reference for the other. There's no opportunity for transitively assessing the teams since there is no common opponent or really even common opponent of a common opponent. Sure. Kansas State put up points on OU and KSU was also shut down by Vanderbilt (like game 2, come on). I'm having trouble drawing comparisons to understand how that impacts our game.

To me, OU beating previous SEC teams doesn't matter just like our painful-on-the-eyes win over TCU last year doesn't matter. I've seen OU fans trying to overemphasize the first Auburn game and extrapolate that across the whole season. And our fans are trying to do similar things with the OU-ISU game.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86463 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 1:37 pm to
I looked through at the top 3 defenses by the big 3 categories OU faced this season (national rank in parentheses), and listed UGA as well:

Total Defense ypg
UGA (4) - 271
OSU (8) - 292
TCU (19) - 329
UT (41) - 364

Pass Defense ypg
UGA (2) - 158
OSU (18) - 184
UTEP (46) - 212
Tulane (69) - 226

Rush Defense ypg
TCU (4) - 100
OSU (8) - 109
UT (7) - 106
UGA (13) - 113


Just throwing out for discussion
Posted by Buddy2012
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
2861 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 2:10 pm to
So four opponents vs OU had their highest scores against them. Another opponent or two had their 2nd highest point total. Five teams had their lowest scores against UGA and a couple other had their 2nd lowest score.

Yeah none of this really means anything. Half the teams that played OU had their highest or close to highest scores. Half of UGA opponents had their lowest or close scores.

Its all just talk till kick off but it sure is fun to be in the conversation.
Posted by OUfanINada
Member since Dec 2017
19 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 3:01 pm to
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Oklahoma Breakdown by WG_DawgI didn't want to start a new thread so I'll put this here. Some channel has a 30 minute long season recap for each playoff team, I think it's called "road to the playoffs" or something, and I watched oklahoma's yesterday. Honestly, I now actually feel better about the game than I did. Obviously, BM is extremely good. Great. There's no way around that. But what I really noticed was that most of his passes were based on simply being accurate on medium/deep routes and his WRs making a play on the DB. 2 things about that: -We've faced plenty of accurate QBs before, but the thing that makes me feel better is that you can at least do something about that. What's truly scary to me is a passing game like Wuerffel used to have at UF that was based on timing, there's a lot less you can do about that. When the ball is leaving the QB's hand before the WR has even made a move yet, but it ends up where the WR is eventually going ot be, that's ridiculously hard to stop or disrupt. I don't see that from baker, I see precision passing often times in not the best coverage. -A lot of the highlights of big pass plays were throwing medium/long passes and WRs having some cushion on the DB. I believe Baker/Mcgee will probably be a better duo than anyone they've faced this year so I feel better about that. I also feel our pass rush will be better than any they've seen this year -On many of their successful plays to the TE, the guy is streaking down or across the middle with basically no opposition. SEveral plays I didn't see a LB within 5-8 years of the guy. I have to think Roquan along with a month to prepare will alleviate that



This is a pretty good assessment of our passing game. But what a LOT of people outside of our conference fail to realize is that OU is not a typical spread offense. We have fullbacks, tight ends, and H-backs. We run the ball at OU that's pretty obvious by the way we put running backs into the NFL. We're not Texas Tech. Bob Stoops always believed in being balance on the offensive side of the ball and Lincoln Riley believes in that same Philosophy. We average 216 yards on the ground. You average 263. 45 yards of difference. That's where we're different. I really think you'll be surprised at how well we run the ball against you guys.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25593 posts
Posted on 12/22/17 at 3:12 pm to
I think the fullback and tight end by OU will play better to what we want to do defensively than spreading us out.

You don't agree?
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 12:07 pm to
Oklahoma plays big 12 defenses. Chubb would've been a Heisman contender playing big 12 defenses for 4 years.....he'd have surpassed walker in yards gained. Look at the scores in big 12 games compared to the records and f the losers in those games......teams lik Kansas score 35 points a game and have seasons where they win 1-2 games. Defense is less important in the big 12 than marching bands. We have 5 5-6 minute drives that end in points of some kind and force OU to punt 5 times we win, period.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 12:14 pm to
I think each of the playoff teams losses say as much about them as their wins. OU lost at home to a team that is probably top 30-35 caliber.....we lost to a rival, on the road, to a playoff team had we not beat them in the rematch......OUs win against Ohio State is as impressive a win as any team can get, any season.....but their loss at home is almost as bad as that win is good. They are very good and it will take a near perfect game and probably some minor breaks for us to win......but preparation helps promote both....and we have been as well prepared in all but one game as any championship team I've ever seen......it's going to be a good one....
Posted by Boomer2797
Member since Dec 2017
37 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 12:17 pm to
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Oklahoma plays big 12 defenses. Chubb would've been a Heisman contender playing big 12 defenses for 4 years.....he'd have surpassed walker in yards gained. Look at the scores in big 12 games compared to the records and f the losers in those games......teams lik Kansas score 35 points a game and have seasons where they win 1-2 games. Defense is less important in the big 12 than marching bands. We have 5 5-6 minute drives that end in points of some kind and force OU to punt 5 times we win, period.


You're getting Kansas and K-State confused. Kansas averages 18.7 ppg (just behind Tenn). KSU averages 32.1 ppg.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49257 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 12:28 pm to
KSU got held to 7 by Vandy
Posted by Boomer2797
Member since Dec 2017
37 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 1:40 pm to
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KSU got held to 7 by Vandy


I know. Early in the year when they hadn't found their offense. Not sure why you mentioned it though. He said 1 win Kansas averaged 35 points per game. I just said he was probably thinking of K-State, who went 7-5.
This post was edited on 12/23/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted by retooc
Freeport, FL
Member since Sep 2012
7448 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 2:07 pm to
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I know. Early in the year when they hadn't found their offense




I commend you for sticking to your guns. No matter how silly you look.
Posted by CalDawg
Member since Aug 2016
1444 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 4:07 pm to
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I really think you'll be surprised at how well we run the ball against you guys.

I really think you'll be surprised at how well we stuff the run against you guys.
Posted by JackTraven
Maryland
Member since Aug 2016
5581 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 4:29 pm to
Notre dame fans were telling us the same thing and we mauled their run game.
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