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Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:48 pm to dallasga6
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:48 pm to dallasga6
Gurley>Chubb or Chubb>Gurley? I don't know but I've been totally blown away by both of them.
The thing about Gurley that most amazes me is how he has the vision to pick a line directly through a defense where no defender can draw a bead on him. All those kickoff returns are prime examples. Todd just runs straight then makes a slight veer to daylight and he's gone.
Chubb amazes with his ability to break tackles and with his durability.
I credit the coaches who evaluate and recruit these two all-time greats.
The thing about Gurley that most amazes me is how he has the vision to pick a line directly through a defense where no defender can draw a bead on him. All those kickoff returns are prime examples. Todd just runs straight then makes a slight veer to daylight and he's gone.
Chubb amazes with his ability to break tackles and with his durability.
I credit the coaches who evaluate and recruit these two all-time greats.
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Posted on 3/13/15 at 6:01 am to WG_Dawg
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So would Gurley...he was on pace for 2000+ and that's including his 6 carries for 73 yards against Troy.
But the difference, WG, is that Gurley could not stay on the field. Be it because of injuries or suspension, Gurley couldn't stay on the field. Give me a running back that stays on the field and plays 13 games every time. Now, we don't know for sure that Chubb can do that, either. But right now it is looking good. I don't care how much potential somebody has. Or how many yards they COULD have gotten....actual production is what matters.
Gurley was great, but we are now debating what MIGHT have been if Gurley had stayed healthy....or what MIGHT have been if Gurley had not been suspended.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 7:29 am to WG_Dawg
No, I don't see any replies to my comment. Maybe you should type it again. The only thing Gurley has done that Chubb hasn't is return a kick off for a TD. I think Gurley is a little faster as well. But all in all, in my OPINION, Chubb is as good as Gurley. Chubb just had the best freshman year since a guy named Herschel, and he only played in 8-9 games I think. Better than Gurley's freshman year when he played in 13 games.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 7:42 am to GeorgiaBoy
Plus, Chubb seems just as capable as catching the ball as Gurley.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 7:50 am to GeorgiaBoy
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No, I don't see any replies to my comment. Maybe you should type it again.
I mean damn dude it's on the previous frickin page. Could you not just click one button to go back and see?
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The only thing Gurley has done that Chubb hasn't is return a kick off for a TD
He's shown better breakaway speed, better vision, better pass catching, and more agility.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 8:05 am to WG_Dawg
I'll disagree with you on the agility part. Chubb's quickness, lateral movement and ability to make defenders miss in the open field is at least the equal of TGII.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 8:25 am to GoldenDawg
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I'll disagree with you on the agility part. Chubb's quickness, lateral movement and ability to make defenders miss in the open field is at least the equal of TGII.
We can just agree to disagree then. That gurley run in the link against SC is more "agile" then anything we've ever seen from chubb. As for the rest:
quickness- what are you basing this on? Chubb's strength as a runner is shedding tacklers like they're children. He isn't really a juker.
lateral movement- I can only recall one run where chubb really put a move on someone laterally, it was the first long TD run against UF. Gurley time and time again would sidestep and break to daylight.
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ability to make defenders miss in the open field
This is one area that I have absolutely no doubt that gurley is better. How many times have we seen gurley approach a defender head on and either put on a subtle little juke to go around, or stiff arm them to the ground, or run right past them, or jump over them? He did it multiple times a game. If anything that's the weakest part of chubbs game. Chubb's forte is attacking defenders and sitting them down, his game isn't really predicated on faking people out.
Going strictly by stats and numbers, sure chubb has a big leg up and will probably surpass Gurley's which isn't a surprise considering gurley basiclaly missed a full season (half of 13 and 14). But when comparing everythign in each back's arsenal I don't see how anyone can say chubb has the same abilities as gurley.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 9:31 am to GoldenDawg
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Gurley looks like a total beast in pads. Chubb - not so much.
You do realize that you are comparing an 18 year old kid who had been exposed to a collegiate strength program for two months to a 20 year old who had been in the same program for over two years, correct?
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He looked short, small, and his helmet looked to be about two sizes too big. I had to tell them he was built like a tank, but they had their doubts.
Chubb outweighed Gurley by more than 10-15lbs as a Freshman.
Both Gurley and Chubb are very physical runners but Gurley definitely has more finesse than Chubb does currently. With that being said, I expect Chubb to work to improve in this area over the next two years. I'm not saying this area is a weakness but his elusiveness is not on the same level as his tackle breaking/trucking at this point in time.
We have to remember that when Gurley arrived in Athens he only weighed about 200 and that when Chubb came in he weighed 215. I think this is important because Gurley was originally a finessee runner who learned to be more physical as his size increased.
All you need to do is to look at the differences in their high school tapes. In Gurley's tape it is mainly just him hitting the hole and getting into the open field, out running everyone, and making the defender miss. Chubb's tape is pretty much just steam rolling guys and bouncing off tacklers left and right.
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Posted on 3/13/15 at 9:47 am to Cherokee Chinstrap
I am curious about hand size??
Chubb appears to be a little more fumble prone.
Chubb appears to be a little more fumble prone.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 9:55 am to WG_Dawg
I agree on the speed part. I don't recall Gurley being caught from behind. Chubb got run down in the bowl game on the long run. Everything else is equal in my OPINION. You just come across as dogmatic and like your OPINION is the only one that could possibly be correct.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 9:56 am to RealDawg
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Chubb appears to be a little more fumble prone.
Dude had screws put in his hand after the USC game because he broke it the week before the USC game in practice. He wore a cast for a few weeks. Somehow, people seem to forget he played injured for most of the season and was still unstoppable.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:01 am to GeorgiaBoy
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Everything else is equal in my OPINION. You just come across as dogmatic and like your OPINION is the only one that could possibly be correct.
I've never once said that I'm right and everyone else is wrong. I've said multiple times in this thread with people that we can agree to disagree. I'm just saying that after using my own eyes to watch 3 years of gurley and 1 year of chubb, based on the actual events playing out in front of all of us, I don't see how someone could say chubb is the better RB.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:02 am to GeorgiaBoy
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dogmatic
More like....dawgmatic. Amirite?
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:05 am to GeorgiaBoy
In my opinion Chubs first few steps outta the backfield are WAY faster than Gurleys and that's big time important. Also gotta agree with whoever said Chubbs lateral moves and cuts are quicker. In my opinion, and I said it after the Clemson game, he might be the second best rb we've ever had at UGA before he leaves.....I stick by that.
Chubb got his yards this year with the box stacked against the run and virtually no respect for our passing game. Todd had Aaron and you had to play him different. Both are damn good rb's.
Chubb got his yards this year with the box stacked against the run and virtually no respect for our passing game. Todd had Aaron and you had to play him different. Both are damn good rb's.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:07 am to WG_Dawg
And I never said he was better, but I think he will be/is as good. Let's revisit at the end of 2016 and see if either of us has a different opinion.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:08 am to SneakyWaff1es
Yep, I never was very good at spelling!
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:06 am to RealDawg
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I am curious about hand size??
Chubb appears to be a little more fumble prone.
I've got no idea about hand size, but as Sneaky Waffles pointed out, I think we do tend to forget that he had surgery on his hand during the season which could be attributed to some of his issues with ball security seeing as 3 of the 4 fumbles came after the surgery.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 12:18 pm to Cherokee Chinstrap
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I think we do tend to forget that he had surgery on his hand during the season which could be attributed to some of his issues with ball security seeing as 3 of the 4 fumbles came after the surgery.
Isn't this a little hypocritical as it pertains to this discussion? There isn't one single knock on Gurley relating to how he plays on teh field. The one thing that keeps coming up is "he couldnt' stay healthy. Chubb will have better numbers because he'll play more games. Etc". People are using the lack of full seasons as a negative on Gurley, then come back and excuse chubb's fumbling because he was injured?
Posted on 3/13/15 at 12:29 pm to WG_Dawg
Honestly, at this point, I'm only comparing freshman seasons. I saw every game for both and I don't think there is a drop off from one player to the other. Injuries happen in football. It's a tough game. I don't hold that against Gurley at all. The suspension still bothers me since that was something that he could control. Still, my main argument is talent on the field. They're 1A and 1B.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 12:40 pm to WG_Dawg
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The one thing that keeps coming up is "he couldnt' stay healthy.
I didn't bring that up in regards to Gurley, I brought that up because of the Chubb fumbles thing. I don't have a single knock on Gurley - he was the man. I've only said I don't think Chubb is a step down and he may be better. The only real evidence I have is the eye test but I'm not exactly qualified...and Gurley had 10 more carries against Auburn than Chubb but 6 less yards last year. It's the only game they really shared the load even close to equally. Chubb was simply more effective in that game.
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