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Kirby’s Trick Play Philosophy: SOLVED
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:02 pm
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Kirby’s Trick Play Philosophy
Before we can analyze it, to eventually understand it, we have to compile all the data first...
How many fake FGs, fake punts, onside kicks has Kirby attempted in his first three years?
2018
1) LSU fake FG momentum piss away’er - FAIL
2) Auburn fake FG frick-you to Gus - FAIL
3) Alabama fake punt suicide - FAIL
2017
?
??
2016
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This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:07 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Failed onside kick against South Carolina in 2017? No others immediately coming to mind.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:11 pm to Jefferson Dawg
If we're including all "trick plays", then include the failed sweep with McKenzie against Vandy in '16 and the successful flea flicker against MSU in '17
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:22 pm to fibonaccisquared
we had a few trick plays against AU in '16 if memory serves although I can't recall details. One was a fake punt (punter took the snap and threw it) which went for a big gain but was called back due to a phantom penalty. I think we had another trick paly that might not have been special teams, maybe something like a RB pass?
Also, this may have actually been '14 instead of '16. I know it was one of those years, and I know we ran 2 trick plays in the first half. Just can't remember which year.
Also, this may have actually been '14 instead of '16. I know it was one of those years, and I know we ran 2 trick plays in the first half. Just can't remember which year.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:22 pm to BranchDawg
I'm sorry but the Auburn fake FG was a thing of beauty.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:29 pm to Hobnailboot
I think ive figured something out. I think i know where all this came from.
Dont want to taint the data collection though. So ill wait
Dont want to taint the data collection though. So ill wait
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:30 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I think we should also delinieate between calling for one period, and the call itself.
LSU game - love the play call btu hate the timing (never should have ran a trick at that point, but I do like the trick we used)
AU game - love both the call and the timing
Bama game - don't hate that we ran a fake but hate the actual playcall.
LSU game - love the play call btu hate the timing (never should have ran a trick at that point, but I do like the trick we used)
AU game - love both the call and the timing
Bama game - don't hate that we ran a fake but hate the actual playcall.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:39 pm to WG_Dawg
I don't understand the LSU playcall.
LSU wasn't known as a juggernaut offensively that we needed 7s instead of 3s.
Against an OU, Bama, or Clemson... I get it.
LSU? It didn't seem necessary.
LSU wasn't known as a juggernaut offensively that we needed 7s instead of 3s.
Against an OU, Bama, or Clemson... I get it.
LSU? It didn't seem necessary.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:43 pm to meansonny
I agree, I'm saying we never should have tried something cute there period. I was saying that I liked the actual play itself, but there was no reason whatsoever to run it then or even in that game at all.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:44 pm to WG_Dawg
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LSU game - love the play call btu hate the timing (never should have ran a trick at that point, but I do like the trick we used)
agreed... but LSU the wrong team to try that with... the personnel matchup not good there for us. Against a team with less talented DBs, I think it could have worked. And timing was just dubious at best. Take the FG, tie the game, quiet the crowd down a bit... let it settle in for a battle instead of riling them up.
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AU game - love both the call and the timing
100%... No reason not to go for it there... mathematically it was correct and the play call was exceptional. F- for execution Hot Rod...
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Bama game - don't hate that we ran a fake but hate the actual playcall.
I've given my defense. I think the play call was fine, but I don't think you run Fields out to do it unless you had run him out all game long on punts... I do think that part was a mistake... but the play was at least "possible" if he'd committed to throwing the receiver open and giving it a chance instead of doing what he does every time he sees a receiver in tight coverage... tuck and try and run. Just a misunderstanding of what the "worst outcome" was... A pick would not have mattered and there was no shot at running for 11 yards. He had to throw it... consequences be damned.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:01 pm to Jefferson Dawg
From 2016...
TCU / Liberty Bowl:
-Fake field goal - Brice Ramsey (holder) run for a first down
Auburn
-Wildcat pass by Terry Godwin - INT in the endzone
-Wildcat reverse pass by Godwin - Incomplete
Ole Miss
-Fake punt - pass by Marshall Long
TCU / Liberty Bowl:
-Fake field goal - Brice Ramsey (holder) run for a first down
Auburn
-Wildcat pass by Terry Godwin - INT in the endzone
-Wildcat reverse pass by Godwin - Incomplete
Ole Miss
-Fake punt - pass by Marshall Long
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:03 pm to WG_Dawg
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One was a fake punt (punter took the snap and threw it) which went for a big gain but was called back due to a phantom penalty.
Yeah, I thought that was 14, but I might be wrong.
Pretty sure Godwin threw a pick in 2016 against Florida.
eta: dawgdayafternoon got it. It was against Auburn, not Florida.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:10 pm to Dawgsontop34
Oh I remember one!
2017 against UF, we did a toss sweep to swift who then threw it. It was just short/incomplete but was a fantastic call that worked perfectly aside from Swift underthrowing.
2017 against UF, we did a toss sweep to swift who then threw it. It was just short/incomplete but was a fantastic call that worked perfectly aside from Swift underthrowing.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:14 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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I think ive figured something out. I think i know where all this came from.
Let me take you all the way back to 2016 for this one....
Kirby Smart’s team just tied the game up in the 4th quarter with 10 minutes left on the clock in that big game, remember??
The head coach instinctively knew that a momentum swing was needed if they were going to come out on top. So with ten minutes left in the Natl Championship game the head coach called for on side kick on the ensuing kickoff.
Remember?
And it worked! They scored two plays later, and Nick mother fricking Saban’s gigantor nutsack call shifted the momentum and Bama won another National Championship over Clemson in Kirby Smarts last quarter as a Bama assistant..
This is exactly where Kirby’s Trick Play Philosophy comes from. Make no mistake.
What if that onside kick had blown up in saban’s face? Is it as big of a chump call as Kirby’s Saturday night??
Its amazing what a fine line separates these type things
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:17 pm to Jefferson Dawg
If the fake punt works, and we go on to score again, Kirby's a genius.
My issue with his explanation that it's been on the books for over a year is that if you're going to sell that play, then you trot #1 out for EVERY punt formation, all year long.
My issue with his explanation that it's been on the books for over a year is that if you're going to sell that play, then you trot #1 out for EVERY punt formation, all year long.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:27 pm to dawgdayafternoon
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From 2016...
TCU / Liberty Bowl: -Fake field goal - Brice Ramsey (holder) run for a first down
Auburn -Wildcat pass by Terry Godwin - INT in the endzone -Wildcat reverse pass by Godwin - Incomplete
Ole Miss -Fake punt - pass by Marshall Long
How did the Ole Miss play turn out?
Otherwise, according to our data, im counting only 1 successful trick play so far. In three years.
Yikes.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:37 pm to Jefferson Dawg
So as I look through this Kirby's only batting about .158 on trick plays.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:41 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Saban's fake punt call against Texas in the NC game in 2009 was awful. 4th and 20 or something like that. Defender picked it off, and it would have been worse if he would have just knocked it down.
But Colt McCoy got hurt that same series and it didn't end up mattering.
But Colt McCoy got hurt that same series and it didn't end up mattering.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:53 pm to WG_Dawg
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Also, this may have actually been '14 instead of '16. I know it was one of those years, and I know we ran 2 trick plays in the first half. Just can't remember which year
I remember running a HB option pass with Gurley throwing a 50 yard pass to Blazevich in 2014 against Vandy.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 2:23 pm to WG_Dawg
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LSU game - love the play call btu hate the timing (never should have ran a trick at that point, but I do like the trick we used)
IMO that trick play sucked on 4th and 9 or whatever it was. way too much ground for rodrigo to cover. not even addressing score, home/away, lsu team tendencies, etc... you could still argue that's part of the "timing" though
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