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re: Kirby Smart does not have to coach this year
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:22 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:22 am to Crowknowsbest
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but this team isn't going to be good until some new pieces are in place.
There is not doubt there. We are by no means a perfect team. As for me.....I get aggravated with people that wanted to crucify Richt for Georgia Southern last season and give Kirby a pass for Nicholls this year.
I still think Smart will be a good hire. But I find it ironic that people want to give bad performances a pass with Smart this year, while they crucified Richt last year, calling it being unprepared. People who never played at a level past Middle School don't understand that sometimes it is just hard to get ready for a Georgia Southern or a Nicholls....no matter what the coach says or does. It's a failure on the players part, not the coaches, but it's just hard. We should have beaten Nicholls by three TDs with our third string. (And Georgia Southern by 3 TD with our 2nd string)
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:22 am to DawgsLife
Give it a rest, Kirby's just starting his head coaching career.
1995-1997 Michigan State finished 6–5–1, 6–6, and 7–5. In comparison, MSU had finished 5–6, 6–6 and 5–6 (prior to NCAA forfeits) in 1992–1994.
1998?—? finished 6–6
1999?—?Saban led the Spartans to a 9–2 season.
Then he went to LSU:
2000 8-4
2001 10-3
2002 8-5
2003 13-1 NC
2004 9-3
Then at Bama:
2007 7-6
And we all know what happened next.
Did you know that Saban lost to the gators 41-9 in his first season at lsu? Guess he wasn't "coaching them up" that game.
And I guess the first 10 years of Saban's career he wasn't "coaching them up" either?
You people are WAYYYYYYYY to impatient. Give Kirby some time before you hate on him. He's got some STUDS coming in the next recruiting cycle.
1995-1997 Michigan State finished 6–5–1, 6–6, and 7–5. In comparison, MSU had finished 5–6, 6–6 and 5–6 (prior to NCAA forfeits) in 1992–1994.
1998?—? finished 6–6
1999?—?Saban led the Spartans to a 9–2 season.
Then he went to LSU:
2000 8-4
2001 10-3
2002 8-5
2003 13-1 NC
2004 9-3
Then at Bama:
2007 7-6
And we all know what happened next.
Did you know that Saban lost to the gators 41-9 in his first season at lsu? Guess he wasn't "coaching them up" that game.
And I guess the first 10 years of Saban's career he wasn't "coaching them up" either?
You people are WAYYYYYYYY to impatient. Give Kirby some time before you hate on him. He's got some STUDS coming in the next recruiting cycle.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:29 am to Walkthedawg
... Then here's to us out talenting everyone in the years to come..
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:30 am to Walkthedawg
You seriously are not comparing Kirby Smart to Nick Saban, are you? if we are jumping the gun criticizing Smart, then you are jumping the gun comparing him to Saban, don't you think?
If you follow my posts, I do criticize Kirby Smart. For getting completely blown out by Ole Miss and for almost getting beat by Nicholls. Neither of those criticisms are overreacting.
Before the season I said I would be happy with a 9-3 year, and I still think we will finish there. I also realize that Kirby is working with, as a whole...Richt players that do not fit his scheme, and cannot do what Kirby is trying to do. However, I also do not see Kirby making any kind of adjustments to his personnel. If he doesn't make those adjustments, we could easily fall to 7-5, which is not acceptable.
Some of the people on here said Richt should take their criticisms since he was making all that money. If that is the case, then so should Kirby.
If you follow my posts, I do criticize Kirby Smart. For getting completely blown out by Ole Miss and for almost getting beat by Nicholls. Neither of those criticisms are overreacting.
Before the season I said I would be happy with a 9-3 year, and I still think we will finish there. I also realize that Kirby is working with, as a whole...Richt players that do not fit his scheme, and cannot do what Kirby is trying to do. However, I also do not see Kirby making any kind of adjustments to his personnel. If he doesn't make those adjustments, we could easily fall to 7-5, which is not acceptable.
Some of the people on here said Richt should take their criticisms since he was making all that money. If that is the case, then so should Kirby.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 7:32 am
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:33 am to DawgsLife
I'm of the opinion that Kirby Smart was mostly hired to elevate the recruiting aspect with the knowledge that he'd probably be pretty rough around the edges as a HC. So far, that's been the case.
This is going to take some time. He wasn't hired to go 10-2 this year. He was hired to win the national championship in the next 4 years.
This is going to take some time. He wasn't hired to go 10-2 this year. He was hired to win the national championship in the next 4 years.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:40 am to DawgsLife
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Bama last year and we were the worst prepared team people had seen. No such statements by the anti-Richt crowd about Smart. We played a pretty good Georgia Southern team real close and it was the sorriest display by a Georgia team many on here had seen. "THIS is why we have to get rid of R
Apples and oranges. Big difference between year 1 with another persons players and year 15 with your own players. We saw how far the program had slipped last year, know how much talent was lost from that team, and that further changes perspective.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:43 am to DawgsLife
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Kirby got here in January, and could have gotten here a month earlier had he come here when he was hired. the lack of a kicker is on him, not Richt. Had he come here when he was hired and was evaluating his talent he could have gone out and gotten a kicker.
Richt had no kicker lined up, and he had years to find one. Winter is very late in the process, so it's slim pickings for available quality kickers, but he did go out and get a kicker anyways.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:44 am to DawgsLife
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You seriously are not comparing Kirby Smart to Nick Saban
Where did I say that? If saban had come to Georgia instead of lsu, you people would have crucified him for the loss to florida that first year.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:45 am to Peter Buck
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two of which are all SEC is not bare.
You keep on saying this as if kub was worthy of the media giving him 2nd team and as if Pyke wasn't a flash in the pan 2 years ago. He was trash last year and out of position this year. The coaches have never named either all-sec.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 7:51 am
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:45 am to DawgsLife
Talent aside we don't know what the temperament of this team is. Smart has commented that he's trying to push these guys to compete and that were short on leaders.
That's a whole different mindset from "rings and trophies just collect dust"....
He may very well suck as a coach but there most certainly is more going on than we know.
That's a whole different mindset from "rings and trophies just collect dust"....
He may very well suck as a coach but there most certainly is more going on than we know.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:49 am to DawgsLife
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insinuating that coaching cannot improve a players abilities?
I am saying it has its limitations and everyone has a ceiling. Coaching isn't some magical thing. If it were, Peter Buck would have been all American at Uga, but coaching couldn't elevate him to that level due to his natural limitations..
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:55 am to djsdawg
UGA is loaded with 4 stars at WR... Did all the publications mess up and give out stars to a bunch of kids who can't run routes or catch? How unlucky are we to have like the only 4 stars in college football that can't run routes or catch?
Don't worry, Kirbs will get some 4 star WRs in here next year and they will... Uhhhhhh... Never mind...
Don't worry, Kirbs will get some 4 star WRs in here next year and they will... Uhhhhhh... Never mind...
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:57 am to Peter Buck
The flipside of that argument is did Kirby single-handedly undo in 10 months the ability to catch a football that these boys have developed over 10 plus years of playing?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:01 am to SquatchDawg
This fricking board is becoming unbearable to read....
The biggest difference between Richt and Kirby is 15 frickING YEARS OF COACHING AND RECRUITING @ UGA.
Jesus...Kirby gets smashed in his first year not only at UGA but as a head coach in general and you are comparing him to a guy that had been at UGA for 15 years? With his recruits?
That is a shitty comparison.
Can we give the guy a full year or 2 before we start calling him a bust? My goodness, our fanbase is one of the most delusional in the country.
Nick Saban couldn't even win 10 games with this roster....bet on it.
The biggest difference between Richt and Kirby is 15 frickING YEARS OF COACHING AND RECRUITING @ UGA.
Jesus...Kirby gets smashed in his first year not only at UGA but as a head coach in general and you are comparing him to a guy that had been at UGA for 15 years? With his recruits?
That is a shitty comparison.
Can we give the guy a full year or 2 before we start calling him a bust? My goodness, our fanbase is one of the most delusional in the country.
Nick Saban couldn't even win 10 games with this roster....bet on it.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:06 am to SquatchDawg
Not sure... There is also a mental aspect to it. I think it is safe to say that there is enough talent at WR to develop a serviceable receiving corps. We just don't have that now. I guess we can say we have a record amount of 4 star busts and blame Richt and hope Kirbs recruits some more 4 stars?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:09 am to Peter Buck
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Did all the publications mess up and give out stars to a bunch of kids who can't run routes or catch?
Apparently. Most were lower borderline 4 stars at best, far from elite talents. This isn't the first staff some of these guys have floundered under. For some, it's the third. That's quite telling.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:10 am to djsdawg
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Richt had no kicker lined up, and he had years to find one.
Actually I remember everybody talking about one of the kickers we have....Blankenship, I believe and most on here was very excited about him, playing videos etc.
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Winter is very late in the process, so it's slim pickings for available quality kickers, but he did go out and get a kicker anyways.
While winter is late, kickers are typically late additions to classes. Go through all the classes to date and see how many already have a kicker signed. Very few, if any. (Although, I realize that we are still a long ways out)
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but he did go out and get a kicker anyways.
Kirby did? I didn't remember that. Kickers are a very hard group to assess.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:13 am to Peter Buck
I think a big part of it is having to play guys before they're ready. Stanley and Chigbu can be decent players imo but they aren't guys that should be playing primary roles as true sophomores.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:13 am to Crowknowsbest
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I'm of the opinion that Kirby Smart was mostly hired to elevate the recruiting aspect with the knowledge that he'd probably be pretty rough around the edges as a HC. So far, that's been the case.
Interesting. And, you could very well be right. but, really, Richt was a good recruiter. I would think they would want more thanthat....of course, I'm sure your point is that they would expect him to improve as he gained experience.
I agree that I think he will improve and needs time. Just take Bobo, for instance. he was very raw when he first came to Georgia and made huge strides with experience. Hopefully we will see similar strides with Kirby. It took Bobo several years, and will probably take Smart 3-4 or more years, too.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:13 am to DawgsLife
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Kirby did? I didn't remember that. Kickers are a very hard group to assess.
He flipped a preferred walk-on from Bama
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