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re: Kirby Smart does not have to coach this year
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:35 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:35 am to Crowknowsbest
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Smart was hired specifically to bring this kind of program to Georgia. It's a risk obviously, and if it works it will take at least 2-3 to come to fruition.
There is the key. It will take at LEAST 3-4 years to get where he wants us to be. Hopefully he can continue to recruit at a high level to attain the players needed to run his type of defense and offense.
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:42 am to Dawgs28
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Ask Nick Saban how is Alabama team did in '07 during his first season against Louisiana Monroe before he had his people in place.
Dude. Go back and see what Alabama's record was the year before Saban go there and look at what it was his first year. Don't just look at a small piece of the puzzle. Look at the whole puzzle!
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There does need to be unbiased evaluation, but to be fair preparation is such a hard thing to quantify.
Yes it is.....which is why I was amazed when so many on here jumped up and down about Richt's teams being prepared against Alabama last year. The same Alabama team that has won the last 4 of 7 National Championships. (Or something like that)
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less than a year ago a 15 year tenured coach with a very similar roster needed overtime to beat Georgia Southern.
And also won 10 games. Let's not leave that little tidbit out. Alabama has struggled annually against Arkansas. They rarely recruit in the same universe as Alabama. Just because a team under peforms sometimes doesn't mean it is all about talent.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:49 am to Crowknowsbest
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I'm not blaming them per se, but good teams have vocal leadership from within the team, without exception to my knowledge. We don't have that. That's just reality.
Can we sum this whole mess up with this?
WE are struggling right now because:
1. We lack upperclassman leadership
2. We are breaking in a new Head Coach
3. We lack some talent and depth at certain positions
4. We are still trying to run a very good system, but lack the personnel to do it
If anybody has anything else to add, go for it. It will take time. We all knew this. I am a bit surprised at the people that felt it necessary to vocally criticize Mark Richt and are so sensitive to any kind of criticism about Kirby Smart. Smart is human. He will make mistakes. We have to understand that Jacob Eason will not be a great QB as a freshman in the SEC. Smart will not be a great coach as a freshman coach in the SEC. Both will need to get experience and get settled in. We don't want to throw Eason to the wolves and tear him apart with criticism, and we shouldn't do it to Smart.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 11:50 am
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:43 pm to Peter Buck
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Didn't watch the game. Talking about UGA football.
The point was that a blowout against a team which appears to have more talent doesn't necessarily mean "lack of preparation" from the coaching staff. It most definitely could be the reason, but it may also just be that the other team was better. Saying that a team isn't prepared is kind of the vogue thing for people to say when there is a blowout or the team performs less than expectations. What expectations should there be though? First year head coach, this is the same team that struggled with an identity on offense last year, playing with a true freshmen QB, and we don't even have the 1 legitimate receiver from last year's team to threaten teams outside consistently.
@dawgslife
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Dude. Go back and see what Alabama's record was the year before Saban go there and look at what it was his first year. Don't just look at a small piece of the puzzle. Look at the whole puzzle!
But your point was that Georgia's talent should be able to overcome Nichols St more than it did. Saban took over an Alabama team that was in shambles relative to what that program expects to be sure. However, that was still a middle of the road SEC school that won 6 games the prior year which lost to Louisiana Monroe in Saban's first year (UL Monroe was 6-6 that season).
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Yes it is.....which is why I was amazed when so many on here jumped up and down about Richt's teams being prepared against Alabama last year. The same Alabama team that has won the last 4 of 7 National Championships. (Or something like that)
It's a quantity thing. Right now Smart has the benefit of the doubt because he's 4 games into his coaching career at Georgia. To many, Richt lost the benefit of the doubt after multiple seasons of the above happening, and Smart will lose that benefit if things do not improve. I guess in a way it is a "double standard" in that the expectation has changed, but I really just call that layering in a level of unbiased realism into the standards. You shouldn't have the same expectations in year 1 of a regime that you do in years 8-15.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:01 pm to Dawgs28
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But your point was that Georgia's talent should be able to overcome Nichols St more than it did.
You don't believe our talent is 2 points better than Nicholls? Nicholls is 1-2 this year. they were 3-9 last year. They were 0-12 the year before that. Theyw ere 4-8 the year before that. if Nicholls has a 2 point margin of talent with us, we are in trouble.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:51 pm to DawgsLife
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You don't believe our talent is 2 points better than Nicholls? Nicholls is 1-2 this year. they were 3-9 last year. They were 0-12 the year before that. Theyw ere 4-8 the year before that. if Nicholls has a 2 point margin of talent with us, we are in trouble.
I do believe that our talent is better, but I guess I would go back to the 2007 Alabama comparison. In 2006 Alabama was a 6 win SEC school, and in 2007 Nick Saban starts at Alabama in his first year and loses to a 6-6 UL Monroe team. Shouldn't a 6-6 Alabama team from the year before have had enough talent to beat a 6-6 team from the Sun Belt? Maybe that was a lack of preparation too...
Kirby is not above reproach, and probably deserves some of the blame. I don't think there is really a double standard going on here though, and it's impossible to gauge if a team is being prepared properly just a few games into a coaching season/career.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:05 pm to Dawgs28
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I do believe that our talent is better, but I guess I would go back to the 2007 Alabama comparison.
But Alabama in 2007 Alabama's talent level was way above UL Monroe, too. Even though UL Monroe beat Alabama is not an indicator that their talent level is even close. The Nicholls talent level is nowhere close to Georgia's, either.
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Maybe that was a lack of preparation too...
I sthis was you are arguing? That Alabama did not prepare properly for UL Monroe, and that Georgia did not prepare properly for Nicholls? if thta is you argument, then I fully agree. My criticism is from people saying Richt did not prepare the team for our Georgia Southern game, but not leveling the same criticism at Kirby Smart.
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Kirby is not above reproach, and probably deserves some of the blame.
Certainly he does. But people also have to realize that he is a first year head coach and mistakes are going to happen. We have soem on here, though, that absolutely screamed bloody murder about Richt and get all fired up and mad when the slightest whiff of criticism is leveled at Kirby Smart.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:10 pm to Dawgs28
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. Right now Smart has the benefit of the doubt because he's 4 games into his coaching career at Georgia.
I understand what you are saying, but Nicholls is 8-32 in their last 40 games and are a small, small, small school playing small, small, small schools. They are horrible by any standard. Nicholls was not a matter of new coaching growing pains. Georgian Southern is a much stronger team than Nicholls is. There is no excuse when a team like Nicholls plays a Georgia type program tough. At least Georgia Southern has won multiple National Championships, and went to a bowl game last year.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:23 pm to Peter Buck
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So, we got lower tier 4 stars that can't catch and run poor routes? I'm learning a lot here...
List our 4 star wr's and you arent gonna see any top 100 types.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:27 pm to DawgsLife
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talent is there. Maybe not to win a championship.
The upperclassmen talent is not there like it was in 2001.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:28 pm to DawgsLife
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agree that we had hit a plateau with Richt, and was hoping we could get past it.
Hit that ceiling in 2012, and it was going down the hole fast. It's gonna take time to get out of the hole.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:31 pm to Peter Buck
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disorganized, flat, undisciplined, out of position, and lacking a sense of urgency.
We would be 1-3 if this were true about the mizzou and unc games.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:36 pm to Peter Buck
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It is the fault of the older players for not motivating the team..
Richt often talked about the importance of player leaders. Remember how unmotivated Uga was heading into uf in 2012? Shawn Williams fixed that.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:42 pm to DawgsLife
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simple fact that Kelly is a veteran/NFL caliber QB I'm not sure i would go that far, but by SEC standards he is very good.
He is both a vet and nfl caliber.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:43 pm to djsdawg
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Hit that ceiling in 2012, and it was going down the hole fast. It's gonna take time to get out of the hole.
I disagree....but that's ok. We won 10 just last season. I have no doubt he was good enough coach to continue winning 10 games. he has not done anything to make us think otherwise.
However, I will also admit that we would probably (possibly) not move or go any higher. That is why, when it was all said and done, I got over hsi being fired and will support Kirby Smart. However, support does not mean he cannot be criticized, unless everybody that criticized Richt was pulling for him to fail.
While I think the criticism is unwarranted at this stage of the season (The criticism as harsh as it has been) I am equally surprised at the backlash that has been given to that criticism. It seemed perfectly natural and warranted to criticize one coach but Kirby is protected? He can't be criticized?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:45 pm to djsdawg
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disorganized, flat, undisciplined, out of position, and lacking a sense of urgency.
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We would be 1-3 if this were true about the mizzou and unc games.
I actually felt the same as Peter Buck about the Ole Miss and Nicholls games. Not so much in the Mizzou or UNC games.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:46 pm to DawgsLife
What was Sabans record the first year at Alabama and how many years did it take for him to right the ship?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:47 pm to djsdawg
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The upperclassmen talent is not there like it was in 2001.
Perhaps not on the senior level. But it should be on the Junior level. If it isn't there, it is one of the coaches jobs to help develop it. Obviously, you would hope you have natural leaders on the team, but that is not always the case. This should not be placed on Kirby, either, in my opinion. Leadership qualities are not developed overnight, PARTICULARLY if you are dealing with people not accustomed to being leaders.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:54 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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What was Sabans record the first year at Alabama and how many years did it take for him to right the ship?
Legitimate question. Alabama was 7-6 in 2007, Saban's first year at Alabama.
However, they were 6-7 in 2006, the year before Saban got there....so it could be argued that he began to right the ship his first year. However, in 2008 he was 11-2. So, he had gotten thing going really well in his second year. And I can assure you....he took over a worse situation than Kirby Smart did.
And, at the end of the year, we might be saying the same about Kirby Smart. if the team shows improvement going forth, then I think most on here will be satisfied.
I do not expect a win this week, though. i will be elated and will be the first to say he did a GREAT job if we beat Tennessee. Likewise...if he finishes with a 9-3 regular season record I will be very satisfied.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:54 pm to DawgsLife
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We won 10 just last season. I have no doubt he was good enough coach to continue winning 10 games. he has not done anything to make us think otherwis
Won ten because of our very weak schedule. Very average team.
Unranked in 2 of our last 3 seasons and not looking much better for 2016 is the wrong direction after being top 5 in 2012.
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