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"How Auburn shut down Georgia and how the Tigers can keep the upsets coming" - Ian Boyd
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:50 pm
Ian Boyd's thoughts on UGA/Auburn game and bleak outlook for the Dawgs in a rematch...
(Click the link, there are gifs of plays with thoughts... too much work to bring over here)
Curious on other's take on this read. I think there is a lot of truth to the idea that our LOS just got beat physically, but not sure I agree with the idea that we would fare equally as poorly in a rematch. Someone tell me I'm crazy, but I would think on a neutral site, with that game film, our players and coaches would enter that game a bit differently. I can't imagine we continue to try unsuccessfully to run into the teeth of what is likely the best part of their defense over and over.
(Click the link, there are gifs of plays with thoughts... too much work to bring over here)
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The Georgia offense hasn’t been terribly diverse this season. Going into the Auburn game, RBs Nick Chubb and Sony Michel had combined for 230 carries, 1,577 yards (6.9 per carry), and 18 rushing TDs. Georgia regularly needed to do little more than hand off to each of them 10 to 15 times apiece and head to a victory.
Freshman QB Jake Fromm had thrown 20 or more passes only three times before the Auburn game, and while he’d looked promising, Florida and South Carolina players had publicly wondered how he’d respond if forced to carry the offense.
Auburn forced UGA to pass 29 times, which yielded Georgia 6.3 yards per throw and 184 yards total along with a single TD pass and four sacks. Chubb and Michel combined for 20 carries that gave the Bulldogs 2.4 yards per carry and a 1-yard TD.
Nothing was really working for Georgia, and that was a testament to an Auburn defense that has been playing top-10 this season.
Curious on other's take on this read. I think there is a lot of truth to the idea that our LOS just got beat physically, but not sure I agree with the idea that we would fare equally as poorly in a rematch. Someone tell me I'm crazy, but I would think on a neutral site, with that game film, our players and coaches would enter that game a bit differently. I can't imagine we continue to try unsuccessfully to run into the teeth of what is likely the best part of their defense over and over.
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:59 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I can't imagine we continue to try unsuccessfully to run into the teeth of what is likely the best part of their defense over and over.
What part of it can't you imagine? That sounds exactly like what we would do.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:04 pm to fibonaccisquared
We imploded starting right about 5 minutes before the end of the half. All the following happened between 5 minutes till half and 7 minutes after half:
Down 9-7. We get 3 and out, jump the shield give ball back to AU (TD).
Fumbled punt after 3 and out give AU 23 yard field (TD).
Sony Personal could gives AU gives AU 35 yard field (TD).
This ^^^^^^ has nothing to do with AU and everything to do with us melting down.
Would we have won if we didn't? No idea, but we can correct all that and it'll certainly be a different matchup.
Down 9-7. We get 3 and out, jump the shield give ball back to AU (TD).
Fumbled punt after 3 and out give AU 23 yard field (TD).
Sony Personal could gives AU gives AU 35 yard field (TD).
This ^^^^^^ has nothing to do with AU and everything to do with us melting down.
Would we have won if we didn't? No idea, but we can correct all that and it'll certainly be a different matchup.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:09 pm to Hobnail
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What part of it can't you imagine? That sounds exactly like what we would do.
It was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek... but no, I can't imagine Kirby goes into a rematch and says... "yeah... let's try it again" as the game plan going in.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:15 pm to Dawgfanman
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Down 9-7. We get 3 and out, jump the shield give ball back to AU (TD).
Fumbled punt after 3 and out give AU 23 yard field (TD).
These 2 I definitely agree with.
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Sony Personal could gives AU gives AU 35 yard field (TD).
Pretty sure they were getting a 50 yard field regardless... but point stands that we definitely didn't help ourselves here.
And this is not accounting for some of our offensive gaffes in the missed Fromm/Godwin connection downfield as well as the OL collapse on the flea flicker that would have had a wide open Hardman running in for a TD... We had opportunities even with our limitations on the LOS and in general gameplan/scheme going in.
Ultimately, this is along the lines of what I posted on the SEC board regarding the game. Everything that happened after this was really more compounding of errors... we had to call more aggressive defensive plays to attempt to create negative yardage for them... overpursued leaving the screen game open... etc. The muffed punt was more or less the beginning of game over... we're not a team that is going to routinely come back from down 3 scores (2 with 2 point conversions I suppose...), particularly not that day where we were getting beat on the LOS both directions.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:17 pm to Dawgfanman
Also in those 12 mins you mentioned, we missed a field goal. Would've made it a 6 point game at half
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:23 pm to fibonaccisquared
Complete hindsight garbage
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:23 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Someone tell me I'm crazy, but I would think on a neutral site, with that game film, our players and coaches would enter that game a bit differently. I can't imagine we continue to try unsuccessfully to run into the teeth of what is likely the best part of their defense over and over.
This is why I want a rematch. I trust Kirby to be able to get a good gameplan together. With 60 minutes of film to use and us not completely imploding, I think a rematch fairs a whole lot better.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:32 pm to fibonaccisquared
We recruit the same athletes and generally rank higher than Auburn. We certainly recruit way better than Mercer who just barely has a football team.
I think they were just jacked up. Next game, we could own it.
I think we over respected stidham.
In a rematch, I think you go to a bend don't break scheme and let them try to beat us deep, not with stupid screens.
I think they were just jacked up. Next game, we could own it.
I think we over respected stidham.
In a rematch, I think you go to a bend don't break scheme and let them try to beat us deep, not with stupid screens.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:33 pm to Dawgfanman
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Down 9-7. We get 3 and out, jump the shield give ball back to AU (TD).
Same drive the refs screwed up an auburn penalty, right?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:37 pm to fibonaccisquared
Auburn's DL is simply better than the young right side of our OL so yea, we would likely see a similar result in a rematch in absence of a lot of innovative play-calling. We have the skill players to score points with but without blocking they are for naught. But beyond that, it's clear that our front 7 also don't match up with with their OL. Auburn had 237 rushing yards to our 46 which pretty much tells the story of that game and is a strong indicator of what we would see in a rematch.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:24 pm to GurleyGirl
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Auburn's DL is simply better than the young right side of our OL
Agreed but they were arguably more talented last year (Adams and Lawson both play on Sunday)
Yet somehow we kept them at bay and moved the yardsticks and eventually opened up the running game.Yea,scheming DOES make a difference.
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But beyond that, it's clear that our front 7 also don't match up with with their OL.
We have at least 5 guys in our front 7 that'll be playing on Sundays so I don't think they had a talent edge .Our guys were on their heels all day because of they way AU was mixing it up offensively.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:28 pm to fibonaccisquared
I would hope that we wouldn't fare better in a rematch. We didn't show a lot of diversity or cleverness in our play calling.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:46 pm to fibonaccisquared
frick AUBURN!!!
Moving on....
Moving on....
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:44 pm to sowega dawg
Personally I think if we rematch them win or lose the game will be decided by 10 points or less.
Call me a homer, but I don't believe auburn is as good as they looked. I also don't believe we were as bad as we looked.
We had a shite gameplan, and after half time it was clear we weren't abandoning the run twice off the guards pass on third down, and we paid for it.
I would think that if we got a rematch our coaches wouldn't approach the game the same way as last Saturday. We would hopefully see more first down passes, more screens, etc.
Plus when you account for the dropped TD, missed field goal, jumping over the shield, and if literally if we had one more second on that flea flicker, game would have been well within reach.
I feel like everything that could go wrong went wrong for us, and everything that could go right went right for Auburn.
It was just one of those games.
Call me a homer, but I don't believe auburn is as good as they looked. I also don't believe we were as bad as we looked.
We had a shite gameplan, and after half time it was clear we weren't abandoning the run twice off the guards pass on third down, and we paid for it.
I would think that if we got a rematch our coaches wouldn't approach the game the same way as last Saturday. We would hopefully see more first down passes, more screens, etc.
Plus when you account for the dropped TD, missed field goal, jumping over the shield, and if literally if we had one more second on that flea flicker, game would have been well within reach.
I feel like everything that could go wrong went wrong for us, and everything that could go right went right for Auburn.
It was just one of those games.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:52 pm to RD Dawg
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quote: Auburn's DL is simply better than the young right side of our OL Agreed but they were arguably more talented last year (Adams and Lawson both play on Sunday) Yet somehow we kept them at bay and moved the yardsticks and eventually opened up the running game.Yea,scheming DOES make a difference.
Auburn is better this year and the game was not in Athens. That explains the difference between this year and last vs au.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:09 pm to djsdawg
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Auburn is better this year
D-line is better?After losing 2 starters to the NFL?
You sure you wanna go with that narrative?
I mean aren't we a better team than last year?Soooo
much better than '02 that's is laughable,right?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:21 pm to RD Dawg
It's more of a fact than a narrative. It's not uncommon for teams to improve despite losing some guys to the NFL. Heck, the last time we won the sec, we lost David pollack and Greene plus Thomas Davis and Fred Gibson.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:06 pm to djsdawg
We would certainly fare well in a rematch. Put all the scheming, matchups, etc. aside and just look at the mental and emotional aspects of a rematch.
Auburn was an underdog at home last weekend. They were in a do-or-die situation...they have to win out to have a chance at the playoff. The crowd was crazy. Georgia was the #1 team in the country for the first time in any of our players' careers.
Malzahn threw everything but the kitchen sink at us. There was little caution shown on defense or offense. They were playing loose in front of a very supportive crowd against an anxious UGA squad.
Rematch and Malzahn has to go more conservative on both sides of the ball. His players will suddenly be the favorites and the pressure will be on them. The crowd will be more mixed when the game is played at a neutral site. Georgia watches film and understands how badly they fricked themselves and play a much cleaner game.
Auburn was an underdog at home last weekend. They were in a do-or-die situation...they have to win out to have a chance at the playoff. The crowd was crazy. Georgia was the #1 team in the country for the first time in any of our players' careers.
Malzahn threw everything but the kitchen sink at us. There was little caution shown on defense or offense. They were playing loose in front of a very supportive crowd against an anxious UGA squad.
Rematch and Malzahn has to go more conservative on both sides of the ball. His players will suddenly be the favorites and the pressure will be on them. The crowd will be more mixed when the game is played at a neutral site. Georgia watches film and understands how badly they fricked themselves and play a much cleaner game.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:16 pm to mmmmmbeeer
We didn’t make them pay enough for playing man and a tight safety in run support on 1st and second down. They didn’t go out of it til 3rd and long mostly. Also our stubbornness to force a running game that wasn’t going to be there til we made them back off and respect our ability to stretch the field.
I can only assume we will have a different approach if they beat Bama and meet us in ATL...
..and Bama got a head start on what they will be looking at in a few weeks.
...and then there were all the mental melt downs... also, if the ref crew decides to call holding the game could be very different.
I can only assume we will have a different approach if they beat Bama and meet us in ATL...
..and Bama got a head start on what they will be looking at in a few weeks.
...and then there were all the mental melt downs... also, if the ref crew decides to call holding the game could be very different.
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