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Posted on 4/14/21 at 10:31 pm to tybeebomb
quote:That moniker gets thrown around a lot these days but I can honestly say that I've never met a white supremacist. I can't think of one example out of thousands of people I've met and hundreds that I've known intimately that believe the "white race" is superior to any other group.
Better than white supremacists
Granted, that doesn't mean there aren't white supremacists out there, but rather that I believe that racism and white supremacy is being used as a catch-all boogeyman to silence opposition. It's dishonest, disgusting, and immoral.
You folks need to stop it and learn to argue your positions.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 10:39 pm to DawgRff
Which part of what I said isn't true? You're being disingenuous shite bag. Either back up your claims with facts or GTFO.
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Posted on 4/14/21 at 10:54 pm to Barstools
I just thought I'll put in my 2 cents(2 posts). I don't get into arguing or being a keyboard warrior. I'm out.
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Posted on 4/14/21 at 10:58 pm to DawgRff
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just thought I'll put in my 2 cents(2 posts).
Okay, well if you ever care to link just one of the 60 cases you claimed were thrown out due to lack of evidence, I'm all ears.
Otherwise I'll just assume you lie in all of your posts.
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Barstools
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Either back up your claims with facts or GTFO.
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DawgRff
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I'm out.
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:44 am to dawgfan24348
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small things like stopping people from handing out water can deter people to vote
I have stood in line to vote in many elections in Georgia and never once, not one single time, have I ever seen anyone handing out food or water. Ever. Yet there people were, standing in line on a SWELTERING NOVEMBER DAY to cast their votes. The purpose of the restriction is to prevent voter harassment in areas where it allegedly happened.
Regarding ID, it has already been a requirement in GA for over a decade to have an ID to vote in person. This law simply extends that to absentee voting. How is that racist?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:46 am to deeprig9
Followup Question for the people who say this law is racist-
If you were in charge, in addition to rolling back this law, would you strip the pre-existing voter ID requirement for in-person voting in GA?
If not, why not?
If you were in charge, in addition to rolling back this law, would you strip the pre-existing voter ID requirement for in-person voting in GA?
If not, why not?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:31 pm to FooManChoo
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That moniker gets thrown around a lot these days but I can honestly say that I've never met a white supremacist. I can't think of one example out of thousands of people I've met and hundreds that I've known
That's probably for two reasons. First, I assume you are a good person who enjoys polite society. If so, then your social circle will never intersect with the social circles of the neo-nazis and extreme right-wring militia types. Second, to the extent there are people who hold white supremacist views, but aren't hardcore about them like neo-nazis, they aren't going to reveal their views with you unless they are your closest of friends or family. They too enjoy polite society and don't want to become pariahs. Most Germans didn't publicly voice support for Nazism or white supremacy, and yet the Holocaust still happened.
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rather that I believe that racism and white supremacy is being used as a catch-all boogeyman to silence opposition.
There are some people who do that, no doubt. But alot of the labeling is justified. When you have white police officers gunning down unarmed minorities, a white person shooting up a mosque or a Walmart filled with Latinos, or some losers marching with tiki torches shouting "blood and soil," I would think it is fairly reasonable to conclude that those individuals are white supremacists. Maybe not, what do I know.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:57 pm to baconwaffle
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Second, to the extent there are people who hold white supremacist views, but aren't hardcore about them like neo-nazis, they aren't going to reveal their views with you unless they are your closest of friends or family
It sounds like you are pulling this out of your arse.
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rather that I believe that racism and white supremacy is being used as a catch-all boogeyman to silence opposition.
There are some people who do that, no doubt.
Seriously, Clark?
Some people?
Jews are being called neo nazis.
Blacks are being called white supremacists.
If you arent antiracist, then you are racist.
You think the above narrative is less common or more comman than true neo nazis?
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:18 pm to meansonny
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It sounds like you are pulling this out of your arse.
Why do you say that? Do you disagree with the premise that some people don't publicly broadcast all of their beliefs?
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You think the above narrative is less common or more comman than true neo nazis?
I absolutely think it's less common. You can always find idiots online or on the fringe-left who make hyperbolic or false accusations like these. The narrative pushed by people like Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson that ALL people who are left-of-center, liberal, progressive, etc., make these types of accusations is false. It's a strawman used to make you hate everyone on the other side of the political spectrum.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:24 pm to baconwaffle
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Why do you say that? Do you disagree with the premise that some people don't publicly broadcast all of their beliefs?
Ive lived all over Georgia.
There are morons everywhere.
But not white supremacists and neonazis.
If people dont broadcast their beliefs, where is your basis for your theory? (Like i said, you are pulling it out of your arse)
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absolutely think it's less common. You can always find idiots online or on the fringe-left who make hyperbolic or false accusations like these.
Mainstream media have made these accusations.
Unlike your silent neonazis party, journalists have published both articles and tweets which have required retractions as such.
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The narrative pushed by people like Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson that ALL people who are left-of-center, liberal, progressive, etc., make these types of accusations is false. It's a strawman used to make you hate everyone on the other side of the political spectrum
You do realize that a ben shapiro comment is in direct reply to media members going off a cliff (either published in WSJ, NYT, WaPo, CNN, or via a journalist employee's twitter account).
The same for Tucker.
Their commentary on far left lunacy is reactionary to what gets released by actual journalists.
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:39 pm to baconwaffle
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absolutely think it's less common. You can always find idiots online or on the fringe-left who make hyperbolic or false accusations like these.
YOU'RE President called this country [link=[/quote](LINK racist[/link] And used George Floyd's death as an example.
Any rational human being know the statement is patently absurd Joe Biden of 20 years ago would never have made the statement and shows you how much the far left controls him and the narrative.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:42 pm to dawgfan24348
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Cutting the hours in those days
The hours arent being cut.
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handing out water can deter people to vote
What a bunch of complete horseshite.
Water can be handed out 150 feet from the polls...give me a freakin break.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:50 pm to meansonny
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Ive lived all over Georgia
Same, but I have seen neonazis and white supremacists. For example, I remember this happening when I was growing up. LINK Or is this just more fake news created by time travelers from 30 years in the future?
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Mainstream media have made these accusations.
Sure, but it’s not widespread like you suggest. But for the sake of argument, let’s say you’re correct. The “MSM” is not synonymous with everyone who votes Democratic or who advocates for non-conservative public policies, and making blanket statements to that effect is divisive. For example, I don’t even watch CNN or MSNBC. They are trash.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:05 pm to baconwaffle
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Same, but I have seen neonazis and white supremacists. For example, I remember this happening when I was growing up. LINK Or is this just more fake news created by time travelers from 30 years in the future?
You have a link from 30 years ago about something that "may" happen involving "possibly 250 people"
Yeah. I remember that. About 20 people were there. 30 years ago.
You got me! Lol
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Sure, but it’s not widespread like you suggest
project veritas - CNN head of programming
I was going to link you the actual twitter video from James OKeefe of the CNN head of programming but it was taken down. The head of programming admits that cnn is propaganda and takes credit for getting trump out of office. Essentially... asians had been having violence, but it becomes a cnn story when a white guy does atrocities for 4 asians. Hands up dont shoot is the story until the bodycam shows that it didnt happen (without retraction). Nick Sandmann is a racist son of a white supremacist who antagonizes old native americans... until the full video shows the native american walking up and drumming in his face.
Maybe you would be more "media" aware thinking of the 80:20 rule. 80% of the employees are trash and 20% are good/great. The media have "voices and platform" and continuously destroy the credibility of the 20%.
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CNN or MSNBC. They are trash
Agreed. But WSJ, NYP, NYT, WaPo, HuffPo, ABC all contribute to the 80:20 argument about competence and journalistic integrity.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:10 pm to baconwaffle
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You think the above narrative is less common or more comman than true neo nazis?
I absolutely think it's less common.
Our very own president accused a Morman of wanting to put black people back in chains.
If you are black and dont vote democrat, then you arent black.
The georgia voter bill is "jim crow on steroids"
And you think people dont hyperbole the racial issues in this country.
[shaking my head]
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:35 pm to meansonny
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You got me! Lol
You said they don’t exist in Georgia, so I can continue to give more examples, if you’d like. But it’s not all as extreme as Klansmen or Nazis. There are levels. I recall that in the 90s, the KA’s at UGA spread cotton balls all over their front lawn for the Old South ball and paid local black children in Athens to pick them up. Sure, those KA’s weren’t going to go bomb a black church or join the Hitlerjugend, but tell with a straight face that that’s not white supremacy.
It’s concentric circles. There is a tiny circle of people who are going to publicly wear white hoods or get swastika tattoos. But there is a larger circle of people who might share those same views but don’t act on them. And a larger circle of people who might not believe in racial supremacy, but who nonetheless are skeptical about non-whites, and so on.
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project veritas
Lol.
I also think it’s interesting that you group WSJ in with the others. They advocate extremely conservative policy positions. You’re not going to find a single Democrat who retweets their op-eds. But because they refused to say the election was stolen and instead said that Trump needs to wipe the sand from his vagina, they are now leftist MSM hacks? Doesn’t make sense to me.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:56 pm to baconwaffle
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You said they don’t exist in Georgia
Nope. Not what i said. I said they arent everywhere. Specifically in the fashion that the media explicitly claims.
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I recall that in the 90s, the KA’s at UGA spread cotton balls all over their front lawn for the Old South ball and paid local black children in Athens to pick them up. Sure, those KA’s weren’t going to go bomb a black church or join the Hitlerjugend, but tell with a straight face that that’s not white supremacy.
I was at UGA in the 90s and i say you are full of shite.
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There is a tiny circle of people who are going to publicly wear white hoods or get swastika tattoos
Yeah. You might have 250 people across 10 states with white hoods. My point exactly.
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But there is a larger circle of people who might share those same views but don’t act on them. And a larger circle of people who might not believe in racial supremacy, but who nonetheless are skeptical about non-whites, and so on.
We are talking in circles. You have nothing to base this in which is why i accused you of pulling it out of your arse.
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project veritas
Lol.
Are you denying OKeefe's videos (cnn programming director claiming credit for getting trump out of office and admitting thay cnn is propaganda pushing their narrative?)
Was that fake news? Out of context?
Or the google executive on video claiming that if congress breaks up google into smaller companies that it would make it more difficult to get trump out of office? Those videos didnt happen?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:39 pm to meansonny
The KA Old South Ball had some young black kids dressed up as house servants and that came to a head in the 80s. I always thought it was more of a Gone With the Wind thing more than a KKK thing, but it was wrong and not cool by any means, even in the 80s and they put a stop to it. There were a few KAs on the team and they didn’t really get any shite from anyone. For what it is worth, the Q dogs and KApsi’s had some plenty whacky shite going on as well. Different, but out of context would be considered extreme. Bottom line, when we worked together and went to war together, we were all brothers. There can be a lot to be learned from that.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 6:39 am to baconwaffle
quote:I couldn’t help where I grew up. I interacted with all sorts of people, including deep-south hillbillies and rednecks that I got to know very well. While many an improper joke was made about all sorts of people, none were white supremacists to my knowledge.
That's probably for two reasons. First, I assume you are a good person who enjoys polite society. If so, then your social circle will never intersect with the social circles of the neo-nazis and extreme right-wring militia types. Second, to the extent there are people who hold white supremacist views, but aren't hardcore about them like neo-nazis, they aren't going to reveal their views with you unless they are your closest of friends or family. They too enjoy polite society and don't want to become pariahs. Most Germans didn't publicly voice support for Nazism or white supremacy, and yet the Holocaust still happened.
I’ve worked with a lot of different kinds of people and got to know a lot of folks through drinks and down-time banter. Not even drunk have I met folks that let their white supremacy come out, even in “safe” company (otherwise similar political or ideological views).
I’ve met a lot of people at church over the years, including people who have admitted to all sorts of sins and actions that would make most people cringe out of discomfort. None to my knowledge have admitted to a white supremacist belief, even in confidence.
Again, while it is purely anecdotal, I haven’t lived in a bubble of “polite society” for my entire life but have been exposed to all sorts of people with all sorts of backgrounds and sins, yet I can’t recall a single person that has admitted to being a racist or white supremacist, even in hushed tones.
My point isn’t to say that such people don’t exist, but to say that such an accusation is not as warranted as the talking heads and woke-ologists want us to believe. The moniker—as I said—is used too loosely and doesn’t represent reality but is instead used as a trump card to silence opposition or to destroy political or ideological opponents.
And as others have said, if racists and white supremacists lurked around every corner, it would be a lot easier to prove it. Instead, isolated incidents are used to apply to an entire population and accusations of racism are made for every disagreeable comment or policy, even when there is no evidence of race-based motivations. Intent is merely assumed when outcomes are disagreeable.
quote:No, it’s not. Most of the labeling occurs without motive even known. In fact, most of the time motive is irrelevant. As with critical race theory, racism or white supremacy is merely assumed when outcomes are undesired.
There are some people who do that, no doubt. But alot of the labeling is justified.
quote:I believe we covered this before, but when police officers gun down unarmed white people, no one assumes racism, classism, or any other ‘ism, yet it is assumed that racism is in play when the deceased is a minority. If you can prove the officer’s intent was racist, I’ll join you in your condemnation of the act as race-based, but otherwise there is no reason to assume racism in such interactions when there are other circumstances that usually make more sense.
When you have white police officers gunning down unarmed minorities
quote:Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the motives of the perpetrators.
a white person shooting up a mosque or a Walmart filled with Latinos, or some losers marching with tiki torches shouting "blood and soil," I would think it is fairly reasonable to conclude that those individuals are white supremacists. Maybe not, what do I know.
See, leftists like to pull the race card every time a minority is negatively impacted, but just because the end result may be negative doesn’t mean the action was race-based. Sometimes it is, but most of the time race is interjected into the discussion without probable cause. Sometimes bad people do bad things. Sometimes good people do bad things. Sometimes mistakes are made. Sometimes bad things happen for reasons other than racism or white supremacy.
Each situation must be assessed on it’s own and I believe too many things are labeled as racist because it is convenient to do that and to win an argument, push an ideology, force compliance, or to achieve some goal because most people are not racist and don’t want to be perceived as such.
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