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re: Fromm Didn't Take Us Anywhere Last Year
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:18 am to DawgCountry
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:18 am to DawgCountry
You can be Pro Fromm or Pro Cheney or Pro Kirby or whatever. Just don't use the fact that he was the starting QB last year on a playoff team to keep him the starter. It didn't work for Kelly Bryant or Halen Hurt. Remember Fromm Didn't beat Eason out for the job that summer.
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Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:12 am to RiverDawg
Fromm was not asked to do anything significant last year. He was not asked to win games with his arm, something he hasn't even proven he can do. He was simply asked to manage the game and not turn the ball over and beat ourselves, which he did well.
The problem is the offense is not going to live up to it's potential with Fromm the way it could with Fields. The main issue is Fields doesn't have the experience. We're not going to the playoffs this year or winning an SEC title, unless this team turns on a switch and dramatically improves almost overnight, which is highly improbable. I say get Fields ready for next year, because if you don't, then you've wasted an entire year and have not gotten Fields ready despite Fromm not playing well. You also risk losing Fields, which would be terrible, not only for the team but potentially for recruiting as well.
Next year is when this team could really make a run. Let Fromm start the Florida game, but keep him on a short leash. Let Fields get much more playing time. Let him run full series and let him throw the ball.
The problem is the offense is not going to live up to it's potential with Fromm the way it could with Fields. The main issue is Fields doesn't have the experience. We're not going to the playoffs this year or winning an SEC title, unless this team turns on a switch and dramatically improves almost overnight, which is highly improbable. I say get Fields ready for next year, because if you don't, then you've wasted an entire year and have not gotten Fields ready despite Fromm not playing well. You also risk losing Fields, which would be terrible, not only for the team but potentially for recruiting as well.
Next year is when this team could really make a run. Let Fromm start the Florida game, but keep him on a short leash. Let Fields get much more playing time. Let him run full series and let him throw the ball.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 10:13 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:22 am to HTDawg
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Let Fields get much more playing time. Let him run full series and let him throw the ball.
This and all this.
It's about the future. This team is good and will be top 15ish, but can't win it all. Fields must get meaningful PT so we know what we got for next year.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:24 am to Griffindawg
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SONY called an audible and ran for a touchdown on the play.
No he didn't. Check it again. I've watched the game 3-4 times. Fromm called the audible, then Sony asked Fromm where to line up, and Fromm moved Sony from his right to his left.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:27 am to DawgsLife
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Look. Do you believe we would have gone to the Championship game with Eason as our QB? Be honest.
I really don't. Although Eason saw limited time before and after his injuries, he was also showing the same tendencies he showed in 2016.
Throwing fastballs when he didn't need to, holding the ball too long resulting in a sack or a fumble, and throwing an ill-advised pass against Vandy that gave them a score in garbage time.
He never looked comfortable under center, either. I wish him no ill will, though. hope he tears it up at UDub...Just not against us, should we end up playing him.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:34 am to UnderDog68
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I really don't. Although Eason saw limited time before and after his injuries, he was also showing the same tendencies he showed in 2016.
Eason got injured on what, the second possession of the game? Hardly enough to judge what kind of player Eason was going to be or whether he progressed. Either way, Fromm didn't beat him out despite Eason's struggles as a freshman. In all fairness to Eason, the team around him didn't play well either, especially the OL at times.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:37 am to HTDawg
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Fromm was not asked to do anything significant last year. He was not asked to win games with his arm, something he hasn't even proven he can do. He was simply asked to manage the game and not turn the ball over and beat ourselves, which he did well.
Not sure what the point is here. But I would argue that the flea flicker pass against MState certainly set the tone and put us on the road to a win. If that pass got picked off or Fromm got sacked, it could have been a different game. Now way of knowing, actually.
I could also argue that without Fromm the Missouri game might have been touch and go.
But, when your team is blowing out everybody by 30 points and more the QB is rarely relied on to win a game. Shoot, the lone game we lost this yer was more because we stopped running the ball.
Amazing. I saw none of our fans criticizing Fromm last year, yet now people are saying he was not all that special last year. Why? Because they want the new QB.
If you want a tough argument to argue against....argue that Fromm is playing poorly this year. Not that he wasn't all that special last year.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:39 am to HTDawg
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Eason got injured on what, the second possession of the game? Hardly enough to judge what kind of player Eason was going to be or whether he progressed. Either way, Fromm didn't beat him out despite Eason's struggles as a freshman. In all fairness to Eason, the team around him didn't play well either, especially the OL at times.
Just so I understand this correctly. You guys argue that Fields should be playing because he is clearly the more talented QB, based on nothing, (Because we haven't really seen him much yet), but Eason was the better choice last year because he beat out Fromm in preseason? But it isn't fair to say Fromm should be QB now because he beat out Fields in preseason?
Now I am really confused.
ETA
Are you arguing that we would have played for the National Championship with Eason under center? I just want to be clear.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 10:41 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:45 am to DawgsLife
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Not sure what the point is here. But I would argue that the flea flicker pass against MState certainly set the tone and put us on the road to a win. If that pass got picked off or Fromm got sacked, it could have been a different game.
It was one play? Godwin was open by 5 yards. The only way that play would have been picked off is if he was criminally inaccurate.
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I could also argue that without Fromm the Missouri game might have been touch and go.
That game was never touch and go, despite letting Locke throw three long TDs. I will agree that was Fromm's best throwing game.
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Shoot, the lone game we lost this yer was more because we stopped running the ball.
Sooner or later some of you are going to have to give LSU some credit. Either way, that doesn't absolve Fromm of his shite play and leaving and missing three wide open TDs.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:59 am to HTDawg
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It was one play? Godwin was open by 5 yards. The only way that play would have been picked off is if he was criminally inaccurate.
Yeah. So? How does that change my point? That one play set the tone for the game. MState never recovered.
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That game was never touch and go, despite letting Locke throw three long TDs. I will agree that was Fromm's best throwing game.
It was 21-14 halfway through the second quarter, but if that is your version of never....we went up 31-21 after Fromm ran in a TD at the 3:53 mark of the second quarter.
quote:I give LSU a lot of credit. They took advantage of our crappy defensive play. Two busted coverages in the secondary and our safety getting sucked up and trapped at the line for a long TD run by Helair cost us 21, yet Fromm was the only reason we lost.
Sooner or later some of you are going to have to give LSU some credit. Either way, that doesn't absolve Fromm of his shite play and leaving and missing three wide open TDs.
He played poorly. I'm not going to argue that. It would be silly....almost as silly as you arguing that Fromm cost us the game.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 11:01 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:11 am to HTDawg
There's so much emotive ignorance in this thread that I don't even know where to begin.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:21 am to DawgsLife
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almost as silly as you arguing that Fromm cost us the game.
Imagine if uga is up 14-3 rather than down10-0. Does that change how the game goes?
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:48 am to djsdawg
Did Kelly Bryant lead Clemson to an ACC championship and playoff birth last year? Do Clemson get there without him?
Is he still the starter? If not, why not?
Does Clemson have a championship winning head coach? Would you trust the decision making of a championship winning head coach?
I need the Fromm Frogs to ask themselves questions.
Is he still the starter? If not, why not?
Does Clemson have a championship winning head coach? Would you trust the decision making of a championship winning head coach?
I need the Fromm Frogs to ask themselves questions.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:16 pm to djsdawg
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Imagine if uga is up 14-3 rather than down10-0. Does that change how the game goes?
Gee, I don't know. Somebody was arguing the flea flicker against MState had very little affect on the game, so I am fuzzy on what affects game flow and what doesn't.
Regardles...if we are going with game flow (And I personally think it plays a huge role) then we should have kicked the FG instead of trying to fake it. I get why Kirby tried it, and had it worked we would have felt he was a genius.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:18 pm to RiverDawg
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Did Kelly Bryant lead Clemson to an ACC championship and playoff birth last year? Do Clemson get there without him?
Is he still the starter? If not, why not?
Does Clemson have a championship winning head coach? Would you trust the decision making of a championship winning head coach?
Brian Kelly had the balls to switch QBs in the middle of an undefeated season and their offense has become significantly more explosive because of it
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:18 pm to RiverDawg
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Did Kelly Bryant lead Clemson to an ACC championship and playoff birth last year? Do Clemson get there without him?
quote:And if Lawrence's injury had been more serious, where would they be?
Is he still the starter? If not, why not?
quote:So you stated earlier that you were not a Fields man or a Fromm man, yet your words and arguments say otherwise.
I need the Fromm Frogs to ask themselves questions.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:19 pm to VADawg
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Brian Kelly had the balls to switch QBs in the middle of an undefeated season and their offense has become significantly more explosive because of it
That must mean that if every coach did that, then it would work out well every time, right?
Maybe we need Brian Kelly to be our coach.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:24 pm to DawgsLife
Kelly knew his best option was on the bench and he did what was right for the team. Swinney did the same thing. You can't keep a more talented option on the bench solely because you're afraid the current starter will transfer. One of them will transfer out by fall camp 2019 regardless of what Kirby does.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:28 pm to DawgsLife
Brian Kelly only makes good decisions. He had the balls to send that kid up in the boom lift in the middle of a wind storm...
Because X, then Y arguments are hilarious when you just intermittently change all the variables and assume the same logic holds.
I haven't seen anyone arguing we should see less of Fields... To the contrary. Most feel he should play more, and for longer spans (one play bit at LSU was ridiculous). Instead, the argument is simply that as of right now, you don't have sufficient evidence to make the assessment that Fields > Fromm in terms of chances to win.
I'd love to have a side by side comparison to the people who were stating Fromm was definitely better than Eason would have been last year, to the people stating that Fields > Fromm now.
Because X, then Y arguments are hilarious when you just intermittently change all the variables and assume the same logic holds.
I haven't seen anyone arguing we should see less of Fields... To the contrary. Most feel he should play more, and for longer spans (one play bit at LSU was ridiculous). Instead, the argument is simply that as of right now, you don't have sufficient evidence to make the assessment that Fields > Fromm in terms of chances to win.
I'd love to have a side by side comparison to the people who were stating Fromm was definitely better than Eason would have been last year, to the people stating that Fields > Fromm now.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:31 pm to VADawg
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Kelly knew his best option was on the bench and he did what was right for the team.
So you think Kelly is a better judge of talent than Kirby?
quote:That's not why you do it. You do it for the precise reason Dabo should have done it. His QB is gone from the team, and the golden boy got injured. Dabo is just extremely lucky Lawrence's injury was not severe. If it had been he could wave the playoffs bye-bye.
You can't keep a more talented option on the bench solely because you're afraid the current starter will transfer.
quote:Nostradamus, now? nobody knows that. You might be right, but we have yet another poster stating things as if they are facts. Nobody, believe it or not can see into the future.
One of them will transfer out by fall camp 2019 regardless of what Kirby does.
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