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re: Fromm Didn't Take Us Anywhere Last Year
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:35 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:35 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I haven't seen anyone arguing we should see less of Fields... To the contrary. Most feel he should play more, and for longer spans (one play bit at LSU was ridiculous). Instead, the argument is simply that as of right now, you don't have sufficient evidence to make the assessment that Fields > Fromm in terms of chances to win.
This is exactly where I stand.
quote:That actually crossed my mind, too. I argued that Eason should have kept the job....up until he actually came back. By then we had enough evidence to think Fromm was the way to go, and said I was wrong.
I'd love to have a side by side comparison to the people who were stating Fromm was definitely better than Eason would have been last year, to the people stating that Fields > Fromm now.
If Fromm continues to struggle, I can get on the start Fields train. But not right before the Florida game. I mean, I guess it could work out. It could also cost us the East and SECCG appearance...and possible a playoff appearance.
You and I seem to be on the same page.
ETA
Might as well go out and mow the grass.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 12:36 pm
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Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:40 pm to DawgsLife
Answer the questions....
I'm a neutral dawg, you are a fan boy right now. I just hate what our coaching staff is doing to both kids. Pick a QB and ride with him. But all this cute gizmo plays and switching QBs like Rbs is embarrassing.
I'm a neutral dawg, you are a fan boy right now. I just hate what our coaching staff is doing to both kids. Pick a QB and ride with him. But all this cute gizmo plays and switching QBs like Rbs is embarrassing.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:36 pm to DawgsLife
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if we are going with game flow (And I personally think it plays a huge role) then we should have kicked the FG instead of trying to fake it. I get why Kirby tried it, and had it worked we would have felt he was a genius.
Why did we have to settle for a fg? Fromm missed a td with a bad pass.
Why did we punt before that? Fromm missed a td with a bad pass.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 3:35 pm to RiverDawg
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I'm a neutral dawg,
No you're not! When you can be honest then I will answer your questions. But you have made it quite clear that you are nowhere near neutral.
quote:The only thing they have donw wrong, imo, is only leaving Fields in for one play and taking him out. I would like to see more of him. You can't give them experience if you dn't play them.
I just hate what our coaching staff is doing to both kids. Pick a QB and ride with him.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 3:37 pm to djsdawg
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Why did we have to settle for a fg? Fromm missed a td with a bad pass.
Okay. nobody is arguing Fromm is playing lights out, so I'm not sure what point you are making.
quote:See above. Are you not understanding what people are saying or are you trying to steer the discussion in a direction that you can defend. Show me a post where somebody said Fromm had a good game last Saturday.
Why did we punt before that? Fromm missed a td with a bad pass.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 4:05 pm to DawgsLife
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See above. Are you not understanding what people are saying or are you trying to steer the discussion in a direction that you can defend. Show me a post where somebody said Fromm had a good game last Saturday.
The Whataboutism is strong in this thread... once it starts, it's difficult to stop. It started long before this post
Posted on 10/19/18 at 4:11 pm to DawgsLife
If I'm not neutral then I'm bias. If I'm bias, who am I bias towards?
We all see you are not neutral and that's ok
We all see you are not neutral and that's ok
Posted on 10/19/18 at 5:04 pm to RiverDawg
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If I'm not neutral then I'm bias. If I'm bias, who am I bias towards?
Fields.
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We all see you are not neutral and that's ok
You are correct. However, I am fine with whomever Kirby thinks is best. i have no problem with people having differing opinions, fwiw. But hey, you have started two threads saying Fields should be our starter and asking us to tell you why Fromm should be the starter. That does indicate a certain amount of bias.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 5:16 pm to djsdawg
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What an odd thing to guarantee.
Going off of the sample size of easons freshman season and Fromms, why is it odd? Eason showed nothing when he was first in against app State either. He had the talent, but he didn't have what he needed between the ears.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:38 pm to UGADawg912
Because Fromm didn’t have a good game himself and we still won. Eason was a slow starter and often got hot later in the game. Fromm is pretty much the same way this year.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 6:27 am to RiverDawg
So.....I think most are in agreement that our going to the CFP this season was a long shot given the talent missing from last years team. It’s also a pretty good bet that most of us didn’t think we’d go undefeated this year...and LSU on the road is as likely a place to get a loss as we have on our schedule. Jacksonville, Columbia SC are others.....with Auburn coming to Athens and Lexington rounding out the likeliest places we get a loss or two. Most thought 10-2 and winning the east was realistic, 9-3 and not winning the east likely and 8-4 given the schedule unthinkable.
I also think most of us think next year should be pretty good. The trouble is that Alabama is still going to be Alabama......the SEC East is going to be as good as it is now and our schedule is slightly tougher with ND in Athens and TAM in Athens. It’s pretty obvious at this point that Fields ain’t Tua or the Freshman from Clemson OR our staff isn’t seeing it....either way it’s a problem.
This weeks game is HUGE....soil the bed linens as we have done in the past and did last week and it’s obvious we are exactly where we have been and last season was as good as it’s going to get for a while. Win and there is still some evidence that we have indeed improved as a program. We’ll see......
I also think most of us think next year should be pretty good. The trouble is that Alabama is still going to be Alabama......the SEC East is going to be as good as it is now and our schedule is slightly tougher with ND in Athens and TAM in Athens. It’s pretty obvious at this point that Fields ain’t Tua or the Freshman from Clemson OR our staff isn’t seeing it....either way it’s a problem.
This weeks game is HUGE....soil the bed linens as we have done in the past and did last week and it’s obvious we are exactly where we have been and last season was as good as it’s going to get for a while. Win and there is still some evidence that we have indeed improved as a program. We’ll see......
Posted on 10/22/18 at 7:43 am to germandawg
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3 and not winning the east likely
This was and is a worst case scenario. It would be a terrible job by smart.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 8:19 am to djsdawg
Yeah, I actually thought 11-1 probable and 10-2 if something goes wrong and worst case 9-3.
We have an easy schedule. That said, Kentucky, Florida and LSU are all better than anticipated. I still think we should win out and go 11-1 with 10-2 worst case.
We have an easy schedule. That said, Kentucky, Florida and LSU are all better than anticipated. I still think we should win out and go 11-1 with 10-2 worst case.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 9:03 am to germandawg
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This weeks game is HUGE
It's basically the SEC East championship game. I'm not discounting Kentucky, but if we beat Florida, I think we win out and head to the SEC title game. If we don't, Outback bowl here we come. That's why we can't afford to ride a struggling Fromm for the whole game they way we did against LSU. He should be on a short leash, and Smart shouldn't hesitate to sit him for Fields.
People keep mentioning that Smart doesn't trust Fields because he might make a mistake. That might be true, but it would be silly if Smart felt that way because his more experienced QB is making those mistakes. If he's that scared then he has bigger problems to fix with himself.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 9:08 am
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:24 am to HTDawg
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People keep mentioning that Smart doesn't trust Fields because he might make a mistake. That might be true, but it would be silly if Smart felt that way because his more experienced QB is making those mistakes. If he's that scared then he has bigger problems to fix with himself.
What you can't seem to understand is freshmen are more apt to make those mistakes than experienced players.
Nobody can see into the future and say Fromm will not make more or fewer mistakes than Fields. What we can do is look at the norm across time and say freshmen are more apt to make those mistakes and cost a team games.
Again...my biggest problem is why people on this board cannot accept what the head coach sees and decides. he has a lot more on the line and wants to make the correct decision. He has brought us some of the top talent in the country, yet people doubt his talent evaluations.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:38 am to DawgsLife
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What you can't seem to understand is freshmen are more apt to make those mistakes than experienced players. What you can't seem to understand is freshmen are more apt to make those mistakes than experienced players.
That doesn't mean squat when your more experienced player is wetting the bed. Across college football, more experienced players are being sat for more talented players. Clemson wasn't scared to play Lawrence, even if it mean Bryant transferred. Now Clemson and Lawrence are better for it. Dabo wasn't too scared of mistakes to play Lawrence. Bama did the same with Tua, on the biggest stage in all of football. Notre Dame sat their more experienced starter. They too are better off. Would Kirby have done the same if he was in that situation. The answer seems to be no, because he wouldn't even do it in that situation during the LSU game when he knew Fromm wasn't going to win the game. That's concerning that Smart wouldn't at least try to shake things up and try something new.
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Again...my biggest problem is why people on this board cannot accept what the head coach sees and decides. he has a lot more on the line and wants to make the correct decision.
You seem to be suggesting that the head coach is now above criticism and we should just shut up no matter what. If that is the case, we don't really need to participate on this forum anymore. He didn't make the correct decision in the LSU game, regardless of his talent evaluations. We got embarrassed and he never even attempted to change that outcome. We'll find out Saturday if he's learned his lesson, or if Jake Fromm came to play.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:44 am to HTDawg
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That doesn't mean squat when your more experienced player is wetting the bed.
There is a reason the vast majority of coaches would rather not have a freshman as their QB. You seem to be under the impression that Fromm is messing up, but Fields would light it up.
That might happen, but it is doubtful.
And you can stop comparing this situation to the Alabama and Clemson situations.
I mean, in both cases the teams went from a dual threat to a pocket passer. So if you want to keep comparing those situations then compare them at your own peril.
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We got embarrassed and he never even attempted to change that outcome. We'll find out Saturday if he's learned his lesson, or if Jake Fromm came to play.
When you put it that way, then we should fire him. Do you want a coach who doesn't try to win? I don't.
In all seriousness, I can't believe you really believe half the stuff you say.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:58 am to DawgsLife
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You seem to be under the impression that Fromm is messing up, but Fields would light it up.
That might happen, but it is doubtful.
And you can stop comparing this situation to the Alabama and Clemson situations.
I mean, in both cases the teams went from a dual threat to a pocket passer. So if you want to keep c
If you are gonna struggle at qb, go with the highest ceiling guy to get him ready. I think that’s the gist of his point.
And tua isn’t a pro style pocket passer. We saw that in January. Kid is elusive just like Russell Wilson and Aaron Rogers.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 11:59 am
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:59 am to DawgsLife
You are so disingenuous in you arguments that I can't help but laugh.
You are incapable of understanding anything. Who gives a toss, because the alternative would have been no worse than what Fromm was already doing. We run the ball better with Fields anyway and scored the only meaningful TD with him in the game.
I knew you would come up with some excuse. The fact is they sat experienced QB who had been successful for less experienced, more talented freshmen. Who gives a damn whether they are pocket passers or dual threats. That's a stupid argument. Justin Fields is a very good passer as well, and always has been.
You can also spare me your implication that Justin Fields is just some athlete who can't throw the football. He is as good a passer as he is a thrower and he embarrassed Trevor Lawrence at the Elite 11, the most prominent passing camp for the top high school QBs in the country. This notion that Justin Fields can't do anything but run is idiotic, and that's exactly what you're saying with stupid arguments such as that.
When you don't have a good argument, you immediately jump to hyperbolic BS.
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There is a reason the vast majority of coaches would rather not have a freshman as their QB. You seem to be under the impression that Fromm is messing up, but Fields would light it up. That might happen, but it is doubtful.
You are incapable of understanding anything. Who gives a toss, because the alternative would have been no worse than what Fromm was already doing. We run the ball better with Fields anyway and scored the only meaningful TD with him in the game.
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And you can stop comparing this situation to the Alabama and Clemson situations. I mean, in both cases the teams went from a dual threat to a pocket passer. So if you want to keep comparing those situations then compare them at your own peril.
I knew you would come up with some excuse. The fact is they sat experienced QB who had been successful for less experienced, more talented freshmen. Who gives a damn whether they are pocket passers or dual threats. That's a stupid argument. Justin Fields is a very good passer as well, and always has been.
You can also spare me your implication that Justin Fields is just some athlete who can't throw the football. He is as good a passer as he is a thrower and he embarrassed Trevor Lawrence at the Elite 11, the most prominent passing camp for the top high school QBs in the country. This notion that Justin Fields can't do anything but run is idiotic, and that's exactly what you're saying with stupid arguments such as that.
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When you put it that way, then we should fire him. Do you want a coach who doesn't try to win? I don't.
When you don't have a good argument, you immediately jump to hyperbolic BS.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 11:03 am
Posted on 10/22/18 at 11:49 am to HTDawg
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You are so disingenuous in you arguments that I can't help but laugh.
Says nearly everyone who reads your posts...
It's remarkably impressive that you know the word but can't recognize it in your own statements.
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