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re: Fromm Didn't Take Us Anywhere Last Year
Posted on 10/22/18 at 12:32 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 10/22/18 at 12:32 pm to djsdawg
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If you are gonna struggle at qb, go with the highest ceiling guy to get him ready. I think that’s the gist of his point.
Yeah, I get that. I mean, I understand where all you guys are coming from. It is legitimate.
But I am never ready to give up on a season while we have a shot. The LSU game was eerily similar to last year's first Auburn game. Don't get me wrong, we did not look as polished going into the LSU game as we did the Auburn game, but there were mental errors and busted plays all over the field that could have changed the games outcome.
quote:From a college standpoint, I think he is. I mean, we can go into the nuances about what makes a DT and what makes a pocket passer. But in college, DT typically means alot of designed runs. This is what led to my misunderstanding of your point on Aaron Rodgers. Tua, as a whole doesn't have a whole lot of designed run plays. (I don't think) As a whole, from what I have seen, he drops back or rolls out looking to pass, and only when under pressure pulls it down to run.
And tua isn’t a pro style pocket passer.
Trust, me. I understand y'alls frustrations and impatience. but I have seen far too many QB's that were thrown out there too soon...made some costly mistakes and never blossomed.
I think that has been one problem Felipe Franks has had...Shea Patterson, Jacob Eason, Ryan Mallett and the list goes on and on. I just want Fields to be ready and see success from the beginning. With a talent like his, you have to be very careful.
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Posted on 10/22/18 at 12:38 pm to HTDawg
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You are incapable of understanding anything. Who gives a toss, because the alternative would have been no worse than what Fromm was already doing. We run the ball better with Fields anyway and scored the only meaningful TD with him in the game.
Be honest. What level of football have you played. You tell me what level you played and I will tell you what level I have played. Then we can all decide who understands. Are you somehow under the impression that college coaches enjoy throwing a true freshman QB out there to lead a team with a chance of winning a conference championship or going to the playoffs?
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I knew you would come up with some excuse. The fact is they sat experienced QB who had been successful for less experienced, more talented freshmen.
Did I give you an excuse, or did I give you a fact? You don't seem to know the difference.
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You can also spare me your implication that Justin Fields is just some athlete who can't throw the football.
I never insinuated that. read up on Ryan Mallett, then get back to me, okay? There is case after case of extremely talented, can't miss talents that were given the keys to the car and failed. it ruined their confidence and many never recovered. You are being very short sighted because you are anxious to see a phenom.
You can say i don't know anything about football, but you are also arguing against Kirby Smart, who apparently doesn't feel like he is ready. Are you under the impression you know more football that him?
Posted on 10/22/18 at 12:39 pm to DawgsLife
How many Tds do Fields have this year? I only can remember the one to our 5 star TE
Posted on 10/22/18 at 12:47 pm to HTDawg
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When you don't have a good argument, you immediately jump to hyperbolic BS.
And yet it was you who made these statements:
if Smart felt that way because his more experienced QB is making those mistakes. If he's that scared then he has bigger problems to fix with himself.
We got embarrassed and he never even attempted to change that outcome.
Fromm was not asked to do anything significant last year.
And these were just in this one thread. Want to take a look at the hyperbole?
You insinuated our coach did nothing to win the game at LSU.
From started as a true freshman in his first start. That's pretty significant.
You have insinuated the coach has big problems and is a poor judge of talent. If that isn't hyperbole, then you tell us what it is.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 12:50 pm to RiverDawg
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How many Tds do Fields have this year? I only can remember the one to our 5 star TE
He's thrown for 2 TD's and run for 3.
Don't misunderstand what I am saying. I think he will be a major talent. I just wish people would allow the coach to make that determination.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 10/22/18 at 1:12 pm to DawgsLife
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But in college, DT typically means alot of designed runs.
That’s he antiquated definition of it. Planned run or not, doesn’t matter. An escape artist can be just as effective on the ground as the other kind.
Not sure why you bring Mallett and Patterson up. They were and are good.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 1:39 pm to DawgsLife
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if Smart felt that way because his more experienced QB is making those mistakes. If he's that scared then he has bigger problems to fix with himself.
If Smart refuses to play Fields even when Fromm is struggling and losing us the game, then what other answer is there other than fear of Fields making a mistake? Maybe it's not fear. Maybe he's too damn loyal to Fromm. Am I guessing? Yes, but since this is a forum, that's what we do half the time. quote:
We got embarrassed and he never even attempted to change that outcome.
This is fact, not hyperbole. Fromm wet the bed and all Smart did was use Fields as a wildcat QB on 4 plays, one of which the team scored on. The ironic thing is Smart chastised reporters for describing Fields as a wildcat QB, yet that is exactly how Smart is using him.
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Fromm was not asked to do anything significant last year.
Again, fact not hyperbole. Looking at some of his games, he had precious few passing attempts. All Fromm was asked to do was manage the game, take what the defense gives him, and don't beat us with stupid mistakes and turnovers. He did that pretty well last year. He wasn't asked to do much as a QB, especially in the passing game. If you can't admit that, then you are being disingenuous.
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You insinuated our coach did nothing to win the game at LSU.
As it relates to the QB, he didn't do anything. He rode a dismal performance by Fromm to an embarrassing loss.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 10/22/18 at 1:42 pm to djsdawg
Maybe. But I am an old guy, so it's hard for me to change.
Mallet's freshman year, when he was forced out onto the field way too early he was abysmal.
43% Comp %
While Shea patterson's stats were better than mallett's, they mask that he was a below average QB his first year. These are the reasons coaches hate to start freshmen QB's.
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Not sure why you bring Mallett and Patterson up. They were and are good.
Mallet's freshman year, when he was forced out onto the field way too early he was abysmal.
43% Comp %
While Shea patterson's stats were better than mallett's, they mask that he was a below average QB his first year. These are the reasons coaches hate to start freshmen QB's.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 10/22/18 at 1:51 pm to DawgsLife
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Be honest. What level of football have you played. You tell me what level you played and I will tell you what level I have played. Then we can all decide who understands. Are you somehow under the impression that college coaches enjoy throwing a true freshman QB out there to lead a team with a chance of winning a conference championship or going to the playoffs?
I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove, other than feed your own ego. I played in high school. Are you suggesting that someone can't be knowledgeable about football unless they are an college or NFL all-star? Some of the dumbest people ever have played football.
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Did I give you an excuse, or did I give you a fact? You don't seem to know the difference.
Yes, you gave me an excuse as to why it's okay for other teams, but not for this team or Fields. Your argument wasn't convincing.
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I never insinuated that. read up on Ryan Mallett, then get back to me, okay? There is case after case of extremely talented, can't miss talents that were given the keys to the car and failed. it ruined their confidence and many never recovered. You are being very short sighted because you are anxious to see a phenom.
What does Ryan Mallet have to do with Justin Fields. The players, the situations and the teams are not comparable. Talk about a name out of left field. Your argument could also apply to every true freshman QB, including every successful one, including Fromm.
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You can say i don't know anything about football, but you are also arguing against Kirby Smart, who apparently doesn't feel like he is ready.
I said your arguments were disingenuous. I never said you didn't know anything about football.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 1:54 pm to DawgsLife
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While Shea patterson's stats were better than mallett's, they mask that he was a below average QB his first year.
The same could be said of Fromm's stats this year. For what it's worth, I never suggested benching Fromm. I said Fromm should start the Florida game but be on a short leash. We should give Fields playing time in both halves and full possessions instead of this ridiculous one play wildcat nonsense. We should let him throw the ball when he's in there. If Fromm stinks once again and Fields moves the team better, then Smart has a serious decision to make.
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I just wish people would allow the coach to make that determination.
Smart is going to make the determination anyway. That doesn't mean he is beyond criticism. Nothing we say here is going to have any impact on this team.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 10/22/18 at 2:03 pm to HTDawg
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If Smart refuses to play Fields even when Fromm is struggling and losing us the game, then what other answer is there other than fear of Fields making a mistake? Maybe it's not fear. Maybe he's too damn loyal to Fromm. Am I guessing? Yes, but since this is a forum, that's what we do half the time.
To insinuate you know more than a coach that is paid $6million dollars seems rather egotistical, don't you think? I mean, he sees Fields in practice every day. you see him for a few snaps on most Saturdays.
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We got embarrassed and he never even attempted to change that outcome.
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This is fact, not hyperbole.
So, you don't believe that Smart tried to change the outcome of the game...and you feel confident in saying this?
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Fromm was not asked to do anything significant last year.
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Again, fact not hyperbole.
Starting his first game AT ND.
Played in SECCG.
Played at Rose Bowl.
Played in the National Championship game.
None of those are significant?
Again. What level did you play football? I mean, you apparently think it is easy to play under thsoe circumstances. If you think walking out onto the field and doing anything in front of 100,000 people and a television audience is easy, then I don't know what to tell you. I played with a guy that threw up before every single game. The pressure and stress to perform under those conditions are incredible.
But apparently not significant.
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As it relates to the QB, he didn't do anything.
That is hardly what you said. I can give you the direct quote if you would like.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 10/22/18 at 2:11 pm to DawgsLife
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To insinuate you know more than a coach that is paid $6million dollars seems rather egotistical, don't you think?
Dude, stop with this nonsense. This is a discussion forum, not a dick measuring contest. I know some of you treat it that way. Nowhere have I suggested that I know more than Smart. I'm simply voicing an opinion and you don't seem to be able to handle that. I suggest you man up. Smart isn't beyond criticism simply because he's a coach who makes 7 million dollars a year. This is what fans do, or are you new to fandom?
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None of those are significant?
Oh Lord, I'm talking about what he was asked to do in the offense. Of course he did significant things.
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That is hardly what you said. I can give you the direct quote if you would like.
You said you were old. Can you follow a conversation? This is what I mean by disingenuous. You know exactly what I'm talking about. We're talking about Justin Fields and Jake Fromm, the two QBs in question. That is what this entire thread is about. Smart never made a decision to try and change the outcome of the game as it relates to the QB. He watched Jake Fromm stink the joint up for 4 quarters and yet Fields played all of 4 plays?
If you want to talk about defense, special teams, or something else, let me know.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 10/22/18 at 2:24 pm to DawgsLife
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Mallet's freshman year, when he was forced out onto the field way too early he was abysmal.
43% Comp %
While Shea patterson's stats were better than mallett's, they mask that he was a below average QB his first year. These are the reasons coaches hate to start freshmen QB's.
Look at how they turned out or are playing now.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 3:08 pm to HTDawg
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Nowhere have I suggested that I know more than Smart.
Well, when you make statements like"Smart didn't do anything to win the game." and stuff like that...well, you are making statements that you know more than him. I am surprised you don't see it.
Look. You don't say things like, "I think...." You make statements as if they are fact and nobody should question them.
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Oh Lord, I'm talking about what he was asked to do in the offense. Of course he did significant things.
Again. try saying what you mean. You said"Fromm was not asked to do anything significant." Performing under those conditions at any level is significant, much less throwing multiple back shoulder passes, and passes to the outside. Those are very difficult things to do much less for a freshman....so yes. Outside of games he played in making tons of the throws he made were significant.
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Can you follow a conversation?
I can follow a conversation, if you can make clear statements. You make dead certain statements and can't understand why people can't read your mind. Again. Read what you said then tell any of us how we are supposed to know that you meant the opposite of what you said.
quote:Do you see how easy that is? Twice you said "We got embarrassed and he never even attempted to change that outcome. " and we are supposed to know you are talking about only the QB? Excuse me if I read what you type and think you mean exactly what you typed. I should have known what you were thinking.
Smart never made a decision to try and change the outcome of the game as it relates to the QB.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 3:10 pm to djsdawg
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Look at how they turned out or are playing now.
Well, yeah. How is that supposed to make us feel better about Fields? Mallett in particular was supposed to be a great talent. That is my point. There is a reason most coaches don't throw true freshmen out there.
Look at what Drew Brees, Dan Mariono and some other great QB's did when they were freshmen.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 10/22/18 at 3:14 pm to DawgsLife
If you have a strong supporting cast, and aren’t being asked to carry a team, a freshman qb can do well. It worked for us last year and would have again if Fromm got hurt in game 1.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 3:22 pm to djsdawg
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If you have a strong supporting cast, and aren’t being asked to carry a team, a freshman qb can do well. It worked for us last year and would have again if Fromm got hurt in game 1.
It is possible. but let's take a look at some of the best QB's to have played the game....most had very good supporting casts:
Dan Marino: 58% Comp pct 10TD 9INT
Jim Plunkett: 53% Comp pct 14TD 14 INTs
Doug Flutie: 54.7% Comp PCT 10TD 8INT
These are some of the best to have ever played the game. Yes, you can pick some that have done very well. But there are far more that struggle in their freshman year.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 3:29 pm to djsdawg
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It worked for us last year and would have again if Fromm got hurt in game 1.
It did work for us last year, but there are no guarantees it would have worked for us this year. You state things as facts that simply can't be backed up. You think it might have worked for us. But in truth nobody knows. I could say, "Fromm would have quit the team, and the way Fields runs he would have gotten hurt, leaving us with no backup but a walk on." and said it as a fact, but that wouldn't have made it true.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 3:33 pm to DawgsLife
It’s a safe assumption. Make the d focus on the running backs, just like last year, and provide safe high % throws, just like last year.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 3:35 pm to DawgsLife
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Dan Marino: 58% Comp pct 10TD 9INT
Jim Plunkett: 53% Comp pct 14TD 14 INTs
Doug Flutie: 54.7% Comp PCT 10TD 8INT
Totally different era of football. That might have been considered good for all I know.
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