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re: Fields will Redshirt (Official Prediction)
Posted on 4/19/18 at 7:30 am to Peter Buck
Posted on 4/19/18 at 7:30 am to Peter Buck
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Redshirt would be best for the program and probably him,
I still strongly disagree with this.
You can't simulate game reps.
And game reps allow him to focus his practice reps more specific to areas that he needs improvement.
The 2nd string qb has to be ready. We were fortunate that Fromm was ready last season. That isn't normal for a true freshman. It used to take a QB an entire offseason after his first season to show proficiency. I know kids are more advanced these days out of high school. But they still need to learn how to handle a blitz or blown assignment or mistake on the defense that can be exploited for a TD.
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Posted on 4/19/18 at 7:49 am to Barstools
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Red shirting him in no way hurts us
Unless Fromm gets hurt like Eason did or totally gets shut down in a game like hurts did.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 7:52 am
Posted on 4/19/18 at 8:05 am to djsdawg
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Unless Fromm gets hurt like Eason did
It's a good thing JF11 had all that real game experience when JE10 went down. Otherwise we would have been fricked.
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totally gets shut down in a game like hurts did.
A few snaps against Austin Peay, MTSU, and UMass isn't going to be that enlightening. He faces tougher competition in practice everyday...
Posted on 4/19/18 at 8:26 am to Barstools
There is no point to red-shirting him. He won't be here 5 years. He'll transfer if it takes that long to play.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 8:36 am to Barstools
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good thing JF11 had all that real game experience when JE10 went down. Otherwise we would have been fricked.
It’s a good thing it happened in the first 7 minutes of the season vs a scrub team.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 8:41 am
Posted on 4/19/18 at 8:40 am to Barstools
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snaps against Austin Peay, MTSU, and UMass isn't going to be that enlightening
Bama loses the national title if they redshirt their backup qb rather than give him real snaps. Depends on how we use those snaps. To run out the clock, which is worthless, or prep the backups to be ready, like saban did.
Want to expand your memory? Then go back to our first game of 2002. We needed a backup qb off the bench to win that game.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 8:50 am
Posted on 4/19/18 at 9:18 am to deeprig9
NO
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:07 am to thomasbrown_2007
This is college football in the SEC. We have to be ready on the 2 deep at every position.
(2018: Tua dislocates a thumb during practice)
2017: Fields dislocated a finger
2017: Eason gets hurt for 4 games
2014: Mason gets hurt in the bowl game
2013: Aaron Murray tears an ACL
Injuries are a huge part of every game. Nothing pisses me off more than failure to plan (our defense is doing great against Boise until Ogletree hurts his foot and is replaced with Jeremy Sulek. We are vulnerable to slants, crosses, and the muscle hamster).
(2018: Tua dislocates a thumb during practice)
2017: Fields dislocated a finger
2017: Eason gets hurt for 4 games
2014: Mason gets hurt in the bowl game
2013: Aaron Murray tears an ACL
Injuries are a huge part of every game. Nothing pisses me off more than failure to plan (our defense is doing great against Boise until Ogletree hurts his foot and is replaced with Jeremy Sulek. We are vulnerable to slants, crosses, and the muscle hamster).
Posted on 4/19/18 at 12:21 pm to djsdawg
I could be wrong but I don't think anyone is saying don't play him if we need him just to preserve the redshirt.
The advocates are saying, it makes no sense to play him just to play him. In other words, is JF11 get hurt, of course you play him. But playing meaningless time against a scrub opponent isn't going to make him any better. At that point save the rest shirt until we need him.
You don't need to declare a redshirt up front. If we need him because JF11 gets hurt, then you play him. Otherwise, you don't.
The advocates are saying, it makes no sense to play him just to play him. In other words, is JF11 get hurt, of course you play him. But playing meaningless time against a scrub opponent isn't going to make him any better. At that point save the rest shirt until we need him.
You don't need to declare a redshirt up front. If we need him because JF11 gets hurt, then you play him. Otherwise, you don't.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 12:23 pm to djsdawg
The point is he didn't need a bunch of mop up time before he was ready. He was ready because of the QB competition and practice experience.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:03 pm to Barstools
He was prepped to play in every game, and then he led real drives in front of 90k, which helped his development throughout the season and got him more ready for the moment. He wouldn’t have been a legit option if he was redshirted for 14.5 games. Hard to burn a shirt for half a game. Any coach would be reluctant to do that.
I so wish saban used your thought process. Hurts wasn’t gonna do it, just like Greene vs Clemson wasn’t.
I so wish saban used your thought process. Hurts wasn’t gonna do it, just like Greene vs Clemson wasn’t.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:23 pm to Barstools
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could be wrong but I don't think anyone is saying don't play him if we need him just to preserve the redshirt.
The advocates are saying, it makes no sense to play him just to play him. In other words, is JF11 get hurt, of course you play him. But playing meaningless time against a scrub opponent isn't going to make him any better. At that point save the rest shirt until we need him.
You don't need to declare a redshirt up front. If we need him because JF11 gets hurt, then you play him. Otherwise, you don't.
It isn't just playing after an injury.
We disagree about getting our backup ready to play.
If Eason gets hurt against app state, we might be fine with a cold Fromm to come in and lead us to victory.
However, if Eason got hurt in the seccg, is a cold fromm ready to come in and lead us to victory?
That is the preparation that I am adamant about.
If the program is so desperate for a redshirt and class separation, do it in year 2. Not year 1. Accelerate fields' learning curve and then pump the brakes.
No preparation can replace live game snaps. If fields is our 2nd best quarterback this season , he needs to be almost as prepared as fromm. If he isn't end best, then redshirt away.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 3:02 pm to meansonny
The thing is he's not cold or unprepared. He's still practicing every day. He's still getting meaningful reps. He's still preparing every day. It's not like he's sitting on the bench not doing anything until he plays in a game.
That's not true at all. That's the whole reason teams prepare the way they do. So they are prepared for real game snaps.
Kirby's whole methodology is to make practice harder than the games and the players themselves have even said as much. The games are easy because they are so prepared. Plus, he's facing much better competition everyday than he would be against Austin Peay, UMass, or MTSU.
JF11 was clearly prepared to lay when he came in despite never having a live snap. The point is it's called garbage time for a reason. It's not because those snaps are meaningful. It's not like he's going to be coming in while we're down two scores and trying to mount a comeback.
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No preparation can replace live game snaps.
That's not true at all. That's the whole reason teams prepare the way they do. So they are prepared for real game snaps.
Kirby's whole methodology is to make practice harder than the games and the players themselves have even said as much. The games are easy because they are so prepared. Plus, he's facing much better competition everyday than he would be against Austin Peay, UMass, or MTSU.
JF11 was clearly prepared to lay when he came in despite never having a live snap. The point is it's called garbage time for a reason. It's not because those snaps are meaningful. It's not like he's going to be coming in while we're down two scores and trying to mount a comeback.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 3:20 pm to Barstools
This is getting ridiculous.
Maybe you are correct for other positions.
But I promise you that it is cozy, cushy for the quarterbacks wearing red jerseys during practice. They can't be touched. It is in no way harder for them in practice than in the game.
Ridiculous.
Maybe you are correct for other positions.
But I promise you that it is cozy, cushy for the quarterbacks wearing red jerseys during practice. They can't be touched. It is in no way harder for them in practice than in the game.
Ridiculous.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 3:27 pm to Barstools
There is a different mentality when you are prepping to play vs redshirting. The number of practice reps one receives are also different. The pressure of performing in practice is also different from a real game.
Fromm and tua were both better prepared because they knew they weren’t redshirting. Tua was better prepared for his moment because of his PT, which wasn’t meaningless to him or saban. Same will apply to fields. Kirby isn’t gonna quit learning from saban just because he left saban.
Fromm and tua were both better prepared because they knew they weren’t redshirting. Tua was better prepared for his moment because of his PT, which wasn’t meaningless to him or saban. Same will apply to fields. Kirby isn’t gonna quit learning from saban just because he left saban.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 4:11 pm to djsdawg
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There is a different mentality when you are prepping to play vs redshirting.
While I agree the prep is different between the starter and the back up, you don't announce a red shirt. He would be prepping as the back up so he is ready to come in when needed. Just like any other back up. The difference is, if he isn't needed to come in all year, then when the season is over, he gets another season of eligibility.
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Fromm and tua were both better prepared because they knew they weren’t redshirting.
How do you know he knew he wasn't red shirting before Eason got injured? This whole statement is a guess and carries no weight.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:11 pm to Barstools
Insiders said Fromm was playing game 1. If they knew, Fromm knew. Fields is gonna play for the same reasons Fromm was going to and tua did. While a redshirt makes sense on a level, It’s ultimately best for the team to have a backup ready to go as best prepped as possible. Saban and smart both understood that last year.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:49 pm to djsdawg
0% chance that Fields redshirts. He'll have specific packages in short yardage and red zone and he'll get garbage time against the shitty teams we play.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 8:07 pm to meansonny
I don’t see how mop up duty gives him enough valuable experience to be a difference maker if JF11 goes down with a serious issue. If that happens we just start over with another freshman. The benefits of playing Fields don’t outweigh the potential cost of losing him for a whole year of eligibility IMO.
What I DONT want is to start splitting series as that seems to disrupt the starter more than anything else. Also, trotting out the “running QB” to take a snap and run it is the dumbest play in college football as everyone in the stadium knows what’s going to happen.
Not saying I dont get your position...or necessarily disagree....but I’d love to get two full years out of Fields as a starter if possible. And I don’t see him beating Fromm.
What I DONT want is to start splitting series as that seems to disrupt the starter more than anything else. Also, trotting out the “running QB” to take a snap and run it is the dumbest play in college football as everyone in the stadium knows what’s going to happen.
Not saying I dont get your position...or necessarily disagree....but I’d love to get two full years out of Fields as a starter if possible. And I don’t see him beating Fromm.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:06 pm to SquatchDawg
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losing him for a whole year of eligibility IMO.
You mean losing his 5th year? Good luck with that.
And mopup under Smart is different than mopup under Richt. We actually throw on 3rd down and try to move the chains. We actually try to score.
How do you know what to practice to improve on your own time if you don't face live bullets and make mistakes during games?
Like I said... they wear red jerseys in practice. It is very comfortable knowing that you won't be touched. Not so much when the defense is crowding the line of scrimmage.
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