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Did the Justin Fields fiasco light the fuse???

Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:41 pm
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 12:41 pm
For free agency, immediate transfers and the NIL world that CFB lives in now???

As a old MOFO just seems like his shite started the fall...

Not saying what's happening is right or wrong, just curious if this was the spark that lit the firestorm we seem to be living in in CFB...
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:22 pm to
I think so. CFB was still pretty "normal" up til about 2018. It was at that point that they started allowing free unrestricted transfers wherever you want for any reason, the transfer portal really becoming a thing, and then of course NIL and conference expansion essnetially closed the lid on the sport we once knew.

It's kind of insane to think how much different the sport is in just 5 short years. In 2018,if someone told you that texas/OU would be in the SEC, USC/UCLA woudl be in the big 10, and stanford/cal woudl be in the ACC, players could transfer to any school they want, it's legal to pay players for any reason you want, high school recruits are openly asking for 7 figures to attend your school, and we'd have a playoff where teams with 3 or even 4 losses can play for a title....you would've been called into the asylym for being off your rocker.
Posted by claydawg09
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:39 pm to
I think the ball was already rolling in that direction, but his race mongering hissy fit was an important moment. I think NIL and transfers go hand in hand in the sense of the logic behind it. If coach A can make millions, why can’t his players get some translates to if coach A can take another job at any point, why can’t the player at least transfer once? Not a big fan of any of it but I do comprehend the reasoning.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:56 pm to
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the logic behind it. If coach A can make millions, why can’t his players get some translates to if coach A can take another job at any point, why can’t the player at least transfer once? Not a big fan of any of it but I do comprehend the reasoning.


I've always hated this line of thinking beacuse there's a difference in an adult professional who is signing a contract for his job/career and a student athlete who is attending a university and also playing football. People just have to find things to comlain about and CFB got caught in the crosshairs but that arguemtn has never sat right with me.

Also the ENTIRE concept of "well the schools make millions off the players it's not fair that they dont' get any" is so disengenuine it's maddening, not to mention it's patently false. Players got free tuition yearly (which that by itself is in the HIGH 5 figures if you stay 4 years), free housing, free food, free clothes, free medical care, a strong network/fraternity for post college life, an actual monetary stipend, and a televised on-field audition for a potential 8 figure job in 4 yeras. Not to meniton all the, ahem..."perks" that come from being a football player on campus. These guys are getting WELL into the 6 figures in total compensation and living the life while people on message baords are complaining that they don't get any money. It's just ridiculous. And now it's ruined the sport.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:10 pm to
Right, the leftists act like these kids were snatched from their village and forced to work in cotton fields to enrich their masters. It's a total bullshite take. But it's not worth arguing about now, the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:20 pm to
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Right, the leftists act like these kids were snatched from their village and forced to work in cotton fields to enrich their masters. It's a total bull shite take.


For YEARS the big rallying cry was letting players get paid for their likeness on the EA Sports CFB video game. Apparently people complained long enough and loudly enough for the government to get involved and now a few years later the sport is on life support.

Great job teenagers! You've done it!
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:55 pm to
They have liberated the slaves!
Posted by dhuck20
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:26 pm to
Cam Newton ran so Justin Fields could walk.
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 5:12 pm to
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Cam Newton ran so Justin Fields could walk.


Gotdamn... ...
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 5:22 pm to
Transferring and NIL are two separate issues that came together to create a mess.

I don’t mind transferring because your coaches and staff can move at will…so why should you be stuck if everyone that you decided to play for left? Also, like in BVGs case, you don’t want to spend your whole career in the bench.

However, now with NIL you can use that transfer right to pay players to leave…which is messed up. At a minimum NIL should be tied to a commitment and payout/payback if you leave. You can’t have it both ways.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 5:53 pm to
And Kirby recently pointed out in a press conference that kids that enter the portal usually have their choice within 24 hours, without taking any official visits etc, as if there's tampering going on all year, which is not legal.
Posted by DougsMugs
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 7:48 pm to
Did Herschel Walker light the fuse to have players be able to exit for the NFL after 3 years?

Sadly, it seems like UGA is the center of breaking the NCAA.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:16 pm to
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Did Herschel Walker light the fuse to have players be able to exit for the NFL after 3 years?

Sadly, it seems like UGA is the center of breaking the NCAA.


This is an NFL rule and not a college/NCAA rule. And you don't even have to be in college for three years. The NFL rule is "3 years out of high school". Technically, a kid could graduate high school early at 16, and be in the NFL by 19, the NCAA has zero say in that.

And Herschel didn't leave early for the NFL. It was the USFL.

Let's talk basketball. "One and done".
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 8:17 pm
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:47 pm to
Bama/Saban did when they paid a coach generational type wealth whilst players got 1 year scholarships
Posted by Animal
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:31 am to
I think that the NIL thing probably got going with a Law Suit launched by Northwestern players several years back.

That was followed by California passing some sort of legislation stating that players in the state could be paid.

The NCAA would have acquiesce or ban all California schools from vying for any NCAA honors, including championships.
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:36 am to
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Also, like in BVGs case, you don’t want to spend your whole career in the bench.


He's a defensive coach.
Those are the consequences of being a defensive coach.
He should know that.
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:11 am to
These changes, and the fact that our coaches have adapted better than anyone is a significant part of why we've had this success.

If you wan to go back to 1995, go ahead, but I'm good.
Posted by Buddy2012
Georgia
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:31 am to
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I think that the NIL thing probably got going with a Law Suit launched by Northwestern players several years back.

That was followed by California passing some sort of legislation stating that players in the state could be paid.


Agreed after the NCAA started losing in the courts it appears they are more figure heads than anything.

Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:39 am to
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These changes, and the fact that our coaches have adapted better than anyone is a significant part of why we've had this success.

If you wan to go back to 1995, go ahead, but I'm good.




strange take. Our current coaches and recruiting transported to 1995 would be awesome. Our 1995 coaches and recruiting in 2023 would be lousy.

quote:

significant part of why we've had this success.



I would definitely not call the transfer portal and NIL a "significant" part of our success the last 3 years. In fact, if the transfer portal and NIL didn't exist, guys like fagt burton, AD Mitchell, bear alexander, trez marshall, dom blaylock, etc would be on our team now and ptoentially help us go undefeeated yet again.
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:45 pm to
You're trying to be happier than happy.

If the current setup yields results, you reverse changes at your own risk.
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