re: COVID Spike at UGA

Lol

You linked a fake news website spewing CDC propaganda

The data that matters the most. Who is most likely to be in the hospital. Who is most likely to die.

There is no fricking way the jab alone is better than natural immunity.

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There is no fricking way the jab alone is better than natural immunity

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Damn right! The fact that polio and smallpox happened to disappear right when vaccines were deployed, despite having been around for thousands of years beforehand, was nothing more than a coincidence.

A New York Times article from a few days ago had some numbers supporting vaccination:

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Three studies that drew data from different U.S. regions evaluated the protective power of the vaccines. One looked at more than 600,000 virus cases in 13 states, representing about one quarter of the U.S. population, between April and July, and concluded that individuals who were not fully vaccinated were far more susceptible to infection and death from the virus.

They were 4.5 times more likely than vaccinated individuals to become infected, 10 times more likely to be hospitalized, and 11 times more likely to die from the coronavirus, the study found.

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LINK

(Might need to access the article in incognito if paywalled. Though I believe it’s sourcing the numbers from this study: LINK )

So having the vaccine makes you less likely to catch COVID (not to mention the reduced hospitalization and death chances).

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You clowns are insufferable. You still can’t explain why unvaxxed people need to get the vaccine if you can still get and transmit (at the same or greater rate) the virus when vaxxed.

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I’d say that unvaccinated people need to be vaccinated because vaccination reduces (though does not eliminate spread). (Again, in addition to the obvious benefits of reduced risk of hospitalization and death.)

Based on the study, a group of vaccinated individuals should be less likely to have COVID, and therefore are less likely to spread COVID. Adding unvaccinated individuals to that mix increases the chances of adding people who are more likely to catch COVID and introduce it to the group, which increases the risk of spread.

Based on the study, your bolded parenthetical appears to be false.

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Based on the study, your bolded parenthetical appears to be false.

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Of course you post propaganda from NYT. When are you folks going to finally learn the MSM and politico’s are owned and in cahoots with Big Pharma, and they’re all getting rich off government subsidized covid “relief” and vaccine funding tax dollars?

This same media is still calling a Nobel Prize winning anti-viral drug that nearly 4 billion fricking humans have been prescribed, and the WHO has on their list of global ESSENTIAL medicines, a “horse dewormer”.

How the hell are you idiots still believing anything they say?

Here is John’s Hopkins just a few weeks ago: LINK

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Amesh Adalja, MD, of the Center for Health Security, answers a few questions about our evolving understanding of immunity and COVID vaccines. THE NEW DATA SAYS THAT A FULLY VACCINATED PERSON WHO EXPERIENCES A BREAKTHROUGH INFECTION CAN SPREAD THE VIRUS JUST AS MUCH AS AN UNVACCINATED PERSON.

the exact rates of breakthrough cases are unknown at this time because cases may be asymptomatic and, until recently, the CDC didn’t recommend that vaccinated people be tested following exposure. For this reason, updated guidance states that vaccinated people should resume wearing a mask in indoor public areas, especially where there is high transmission of COVID-19.

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Seriously, think… why the hell are we hitting 300% higher cases and hospitalizations NOW than this time last year when magnitudes fewer people were vaxxed?

Also, explain the logic that mandates are needed if only people who choose to be unvaxxed are at risk?

If you’re vaxxed, and you truly believe the covid jab protects you, why the frick do you care if anyone else chooses to go unprotected?

Again, why are these people bypassing all medical standards of “treatment” and going 100% straight to the vaccine? And not only all in on the vaccine, but actually LYING continually about viable treatments that are consistently proving to work?

Why are doctors sending people home without prescriptions? Why are pharmacies getting bullied into not filling prescriptions?

My 11 yr old tested positive on Friday…so we’re all quarantined in the Squatch house. Sore throat and mild fever for him since then…he’s fine and loving all the Xbox time. Me and wife (vaccinated) tested negative and pretty sure my oldest (unvaccinated) will too. Now we’re just trying to not get it.

My wife had it last year. If we get through this with nothing bad happening I’ll feel pretty good about my boys having natural immunity. If that’s the case I probably will opt out of the booster since I’ll have had it in the house twice without getting it. Main reason I got the vaccine was to protect my family if I got it and it was bad.

Fingers crossed.

Delete - somehow managed multiple duplicate posts.

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You’re contending there are variants and this is why cases and hospitalizations are up 300%, and at the same time insisting the vaccine makes the vaxxed more protected than the unvaxxed.

How in the blue frick can you have it both ways?

Did the vaccine for the original strain suddenly begin protecting against the variants?

Here’s a clue… it hasn’t.

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In your rambling diatribe, you have missed - or deliberately ignored - the materials I cited above, as well as the study you cited yourself. I've requoted below for convenience:

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While this sounds discouraging, it’s important to keep three things in mind:

Vaccines remain highly effective at preventing severe disease.

Breakthrough infections among vaccinated individuals remain uncommon.

The majority of new COVID-19 infections in the US are among unvaccinated people.



Vaccines remain highly effective at preventing severe disease, breakthrough infections and disease among vaccinated individuals remain uncommon, and most of the new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. are among unvaccinated people.

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(Again, emphasis added.)

It stands to reason that a more transmissible variant could result in significantly increased hospitalizations when most of the new cases are unvaccinated, and unvaccinated individuals have an 10x higher chance to be hospitalized compared to vaccinated individuals.

The vaccines are not as effective against the Delta variant as they were from the original variant, but the data show that they still provide significantly decreased risk of hospitalization/death, and some reduction in the chance of becoming infected in the first place.

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So all these people with variants OBVIOUSLY have the same viral load particles as the unvaxxed.

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Please quote me above where I disagree with this. Based on the information I have seen, vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals appear to carry the same viral loads upon infection. However, people disingenuously use that information to show vaccines aren't effective (as you are doing now), while ignoring that vaccines also decrease the risk of infection in the first place. If someone gets infected - sure, they carry the same viral load. But the studies I've linked above indicate a vaccinated individual is 4.5x less likely to be infected. If the individual is not infected, then they won't have a viral load.

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Again, the powers at be are lying to us and some of you buffoons can’t process quite simple logic because you’re idiots, and you just gobble up whatever your tribe tells you.

So again, if vaxxed people can still transmit covid, and the vaxxed folks believe they are still somehow protected, why the hell do you care if anyone is unvaxxed?

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Again, you've ignored what I said on this previously. And again, I've requoted below for convenience:

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As stated above, vaccination reduces chance of infection (and hospitalization and death). Unvaccinated individuals are more likely to catch COVID; therefore, are more likely to spread it, which affects everyone (including vaccinated individuals).

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If unvaccinated individuals are 4.5x more likely to be infected with COVID, it stands to reason that everyone is better off with everyone vaccinated, as there is a lower likelihood that an individual becomes infected, which reduces community spread.

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Think for a moment on this hypothetical… let’s say everyone on the planet is vaxxed. Literally 100% global vaccination. Is covid suddenly gone? Are there no more hospitalizations and deaths?

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It'd be nice if it worked that way. There wouldn't be a complete elimination, but based on the data cited above, there would be a substantial reduction in hospitalizations/deaths, and a noticeable reduction in transmission.

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NO!!! Because the goddamn thing is going to mutate and the vaccine doesn’t do shite for any subsequent variant.

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The vaccine is not as effective against Delta as it was Alpha, but the data show that transmissibility, hospitalization, and death still are reduced. In a perfect world, we'd see a 100% reduction in all of that; but I'll take a substantial reduction if 100% isn't attainable - it's not an all or nothing concept. As Volatire said: "Perfect is the enemy of good."

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And now we have everyone in close quarters with max viral load again in their transmissible airways. Nobody has antibodies because the vaccine disrupts covid-recovered immunity, the mRNA spike proteins are causing ADE and more frequent mutations, and this fricking shite never ends.

When the solution is in viable treatments that we should be taking the instant we have symptoms. Treatments that would virtually eliminate hospitalizations, where it’s too freaking late to do anything but go on a ventilator and wait to die.

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You keep focusing on treatments instead of prevention. There is some quote (that I'll paraphrase) that says something along the lines of "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." I have no qualms developing treatments to COVID cases, but to ignore prevention is a grave mistake. A seatbelt reduces your risk of death in a car accident, but not driving recklessly reduces your chance of needing the seatbelt.

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But existing treatments don’t make Big Pharma money, and politicians can’t get their big campaign donations and kickbacks when that happens. So we’re stuck in this perpetual bull shite until folks like you stop being stupid and start realizing their stories don’t add up.

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Your pharmacy conspiracy theories don't change the results of the data, which indicate that vaccines reduce transmissibility, hospitalization, and death.

So, either:

(1) the "powers that be" have so much power as to be able to influence scientists across the globe to drive some dystopian fantasy where everyone is getting tricked by BigPharma into being vaccinated because of campaign contributions by BigPharma, or

(2) these conspiracy theories bandied about on Facebook and elsewhere on the internet aren't based in reality, rely on ignoring arguments and data (which you have done above), cherry-pick information out of context (which you have done above), and resort to asking random "why" questions that no one is asking and dismissing any opposing position by referring to others as "buffoons," "idiots," part of some "tribe," etc. (again, which you have done above).

Occam's Razor suggests the latter.

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You’re such a lazy-brained sheep.

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You just can’t help yourself with the ad hominems. Imagine waking up so angry that you would hurl insults at a stranger. Anger management is out there, friend. And if that’s not your style, you should try benzodiazepines.

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If you take the polio or smallpox vaccine, you can’t get polio or smallpox.

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Not only do you lack decorum, but you are wrong or lying. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re just uninformed. There were breakthrough polio and smallpox infections, just like with COVID. The difference is that those two viruses were much less likely to mutate than COVID, so there weren’t vaccine-resistant strains like there are with COVID.