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Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:43 am to Peter Buck
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It is interesting that Biden isn’t being blamed for this surge.
I dont want him to be blamed.
Laying blame implies that there is something he should do.
I literally dont want him to do anything for the next 3.5 years.
(But your double-standard of the media is duly noted)
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:50 am to meansonny
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It is interesting that Biden isn’t being blamed for this surge.
Conservatives are being blamed for not getting vaccinated
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:11 am to Buddy2012
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Conservatives are being blamed for not getting vaccinated
Dekalb County started giving out $100 gift cards to get all those Decatur Conservatives on board.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 3:38 pm to S1C EM
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As for the vaccine safety, it’s as safe as anything we’ve ever put out to market. If you consider the sheer number of people who have all taken it at once, the significant side effects have been infinitesimal.
This is misleading for a few reasons:
Fist there has never been an MRNA vaccine approved by the FDA, even the current two being used are emergency use approvals, they are not currently "approved".
Second, there are no long term studies on MRNA vaccines in people, in 20 years if kidney cancer rates are far more prevalent because the spike proteins don't stay local like we are being told they do, it will be too late to undo your exposure. Oh and you got it when it was approved for emergently use only, so you can't sue Pfizer.
While you are right that immediate severe adverse side effects are rare, there is no information on long term effects.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:22 pm to BigLandowski
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there are no long term studies on MRNA vaccines
On a purely logical level, this is a valid point. But would it not therefore be equally valid to say that there have been no longterm studies on the longterm effects of a bad or unmitigated case of COVID from the SARS-CoV-2?
The “it hasn’t been around long enough, we don’t know” argument has been used by RJK Jr., Jenny McCarthy, et al., for every vaccine in the past 50 years, and the fears over effects of those vaccines has never once turned out to be warranted. Could mRNA give us cancer? It’s possible. But I’m going to put my trust in a vaccine developed by private American and European industry over contracting a virus that could have been created by the Chinese government.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:43 pm to BigLandowski
Lando! Welcome back!
Posted on 8/19/21 at 7:00 am to BigLandowski
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in 20 years if kidney cancer rates are far more prevalent because the spike proteins don't stay local like we are being told they do, it will be too late to undo your exposure.
Funny you chose kidneys for your hypothetical since my wife works in nephrology. I can tell you unequivocally that this concern is 100% unfounded. Proteins don’t remain in the body indefinitely, particularly these.
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I will agree, there is always risk involved. You have to weigh the benefit and decide for yourself what you’re comfortable with. People still smoke, drink alcohol, use drugs, drive cars, fly planes, and the list goes on, despite the known risks associated with each. This isn’t that much different and it’s decidedly safer than at least one thing on that list.
And I have no concern over suing anyone because……good luck proving ANYTHING caused your cancer 20-30 years from now. You can think that’s the case, but without substantial numbers to show it, it’s conjecture. And by the way, full FDA approval is forthcoming in a matter of weeks. Then what?
If the risk isn’t for you, no big deal. But don’t use hypothetical future issues for which there is no mechanism to cause such in your reasoning.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 7:08 am to S1C EM
Good post.
Only question i have:And by the way, full FDA approval is forthcoming in a matter of weeks
I have been hearing this for a couple of months. What is the hold up? What needs to happen for approval that we dont have yet?
I honestly dont know the answer.
But it is an important question that i havent see asked.
Only question i have:And by the way, full FDA approval is forthcoming in a matter of weeks
I have been hearing this for a couple of months. What is the hold up? What needs to happen for approval that we dont have yet?
I honestly dont know the answer.
But it is an important question that i havent see asked.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 7:32 am to meansonny
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I have been hearing this for a couple of months. What is the hold up? What needs to happen for approval that we dont have yet?
I can't really speak to the process with any knowledge, but I have heard that it takes a long time and that it's also pretty normal. There's a lot of data that has to be reviewed before it will be greenlighted. I did find THIS which states that Pfizer (who has already filed their request) was not expected to be approved until early 2022, but that the review has since been prioritized and approval is now expected in September. The other two are really only just getting the ball rolling, so I would expect Moderna to get approval by end of year and J&J is more likely to be last. I'm sure there's more information out there, but you may have to dig a little since search engines generally pop up results for the EUA first as there are so many sources discussing that out there from months ago when it was granted.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:04 pm to S1C EM
The story was Delta is more contagious but makes people less sick. Anecdotally, this seems to not be the case. I'm hearing and reading a lot more people who have a friend who is dying from this one. More than I heard in the previous waves. I know - not scientific - anecdotal - but it's a bad feeling.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:52 pm to deeprig9
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The story was Delta is more contagious but makes people less sick. Anecdotally, this seems to not be the case.
I think it's verifiable at this point that it certainly doesn't cause less severe illness. Maybe roughly the same percentages of people experience such, but because it's more contagious, you have more people getting sick. More people getting sick, and just by sheer numbers, more people will be severely ill. It's not necessarily worse, it's just more people are going to contract it.
I do have a friend about to go on the vent this afternoon it appears. Has been in the hospital for almost two weeks now. Early 70s, he and his wife wouldn't get the vaccine because their daughter's pastor told her (and she passed on to them) that it would change their DNA. So here we are. It's sad.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:01 pm to S1C EM
For anyone that hasn't seen the Jim Breuer interview on Joe Rogan talking about his experience with Rona, I highly recommend it.
youtube link - 18 minutes.
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My favorite part is the second story he tells toward the end, about his overweight friend in the hospital. And by favorite, I mean most shocking.
youtube link - 18 minutes.
LINK
My favorite part is the second story he tells toward the end, about his overweight friend in the hospital. And by favorite, I mean most shocking.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:36 pm to deeprig9
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The story was Delta is more contagious but makes people less sick. Anecdotally, this seems to not be the case. I'm hearing and reading a lot more people who have a friend who is dying from this one. More than I heard in the previous waves. I know - not scientific - anecdotal - but it's a bad feeling.
Are your experiences with or without the vaccine?
The less sick (in my opinion) is a lower fatality rate.
But im curious about the efficacy of the vaccine.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 2:31 pm to retooc
Statewide Rt level is down to 1.03. It has been in a freefall for a week and a half.
Spalding County's Rt is down to 0.83. Great news.
We should see cases and tests starting to plummet next week.
Georgia Rt level
Spalding County's Rt is down to 0.83. Great news.
We should see cases and tests starting to plummet next week.
Georgia Rt level
Posted on 8/19/21 at 2:43 pm to S1C EM
Great read. Not long at all.
Kind of confirms what i have in my head.
But truthfully, i only care about fatality.
For lack of a better term, these are political debates. Getting sick and getting better is a good outcome. It should be the expected outcome (hopefully). Hospitalizations only matter to me if there is a solid data correlation to deaths (which i havent seen solid data as of yet).
I dont like the term "breakthrough cases". 90% effective means than 1 on 10 wont benefit from the vaccine. Georgia has 4+ million vaccinated, and about 400,000 dont benefit from them.
Or in the Israeli illustration, 5.6M people vaccinated and 560,000 dont benefit. I dont get worked up with shock and awe that 301 of them are hospitalized. Just tell me the fatalities.
Kind of confirms what i have in my head.
But truthfully, i only care about fatality.
For lack of a better term, these are political debates. Getting sick and getting better is a good outcome. It should be the expected outcome (hopefully). Hospitalizations only matter to me if there is a solid data correlation to deaths (which i havent seen solid data as of yet).
I dont like the term "breakthrough cases". 90% effective means than 1 on 10 wont benefit from the vaccine. Georgia has 4+ million vaccinated, and about 400,000 dont benefit from them.
Or in the Israeli illustration, 5.6M people vaccinated and 560,000 dont benefit. I dont get worked up with shock and awe that 301 of them are hospitalized. Just tell me the fatalities.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 4:02 pm to meansonny
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Great read. Not long at all.
Kind of confirms what i have in my head.
Good deal!
You know some folks would look at that and be all TLDR, so I never know how to classify it.
And yes, it makes complete sense, but I think the visualizations are really helpful. quote:
For lack of a better term, these are political debates. Getting sick and getting better is a good outcome. It should be the expected outcome (hopefully). Hospitalizations only matter to me if there is a solid data correlation to deaths (which i havent seen solid data as of yet).
All fair. I agree, cases shouldn't be the benchmark now outside of more cases simply means more people will ultimately die. But there's not much to be done about it. Long Covid and longer-term complications are still a concern, though.
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I dont like the term "breakthrough cases". 90% effective means than 1 on 10 wont benefit from the vaccine. Georgia has 4+ million vaccinated, and about 400,000 dont benefit from them.
100% agree with you. Nothing we're seeing is outside of what should have been expected.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 5:10 pm to S1C EM
Nice share. Will help to settle my wife and mother's nerves a bit I think.
Will help to settle my wife and mother's nerves a bit I think. 
Posted on 8/19/21 at 6:44 pm to retooc
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