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re: 2020 Recruiting Thread (SVP and Broderick Jones stay committed to the G)
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:38 pm to Lucius Clay
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:38 pm to Lucius Clay
quote:Late bloomer who finally got his chance and then ran away with the job going 11-5 in starts.
So Newman is apparently the guy but could someone clarify...if this guy was so all-world, what was he doing at Wake Forest in the first place?
Watch this: LINK
Go to the 8:00 mark of Hayden’s video and check out the advanced stats he brings up.
Newman had the #1 passing grade throwing into tight coverage in the country, as well as being just behind only Joe Burrow for passer rating on throws over 20+ yards.
His seeming regression later in the season can be attributed to him having a shoulder injury and still playing hurt, his top 2 receivers being hurt, his receivers dropping 30+ passes, and his 2-3* OL going up against the likes of Clemson and Michigan State who are simply stacked with significantly better defensive talent.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 7:47 pm
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:03 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Some folks takes on these transfers is damn near tragic
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:09 pm to tylerdurden24
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I will fricking riot if we take Brice over Newman
If there is a choice I am with ya
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:12 pm to Damn Good Dawg
quote:Its willful ignorance.
Some folks takes on these transfers is damn near tragic
They see Wake Forest and a slightly sub-average completion rate and set their opinion on “certain scrub” at that point without doing real analysis and research.
Then people who have done the research come with facts and they don’t care, because, well... ego and people hate being wrong and embarrassed in a community they hang in, I guess.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:16 pm to BeefDawg
LINK
Why the 2020 NFL Draft's best-kept quarterback secret has first-round potential
But he went to Wake so he sucks, bring in the fast kid
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@PFF_Brent note on Jamie Newman: “The vertical passing game is Newman's strength. On deep passes (targeted depth over 20 yards), Newman's 96.5 grade was the second-highest in the entire FBS, only behind the Heisman trophy winner Joe Burrow.”
Why the 2020 NFL Draft's best-kept quarterback secret has first-round potential
But he went to Wake so he sucks, bring in the fast kid
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:02 pm to Damn Good Dawg
I'm from fricking Winston watched this kid play a couple times this year but don't let the wake forest tag fool you. This kid can fricking ball he is big as hell too very good on his feet and has an arm. He would be an amazing addition. He is leaving due to wake returning like no one on the line and his best rb. This makes me happy because my app state mountaineers gonna drag their arse in Winston next year with out him.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:05 pm to NCdawgfan34
dead2me ?????????
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:10 pm to Lucius Clay
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if this guy was so all-world, what was he doing at Wake Forest in the first place?
This is an absurd take
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:17 pm to deeprig9
I'm not picking up what you are putting down rig?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:33 pm to Crowknowsbest
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This is an absurd take
So no program better than Wake Forest noticed his upside coming out of high school?
If he can go Joe Burrow all over the SEC in 2020, I'll believe the rags to riches tale!
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:39 pm to Lucius Clay
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So no program better than Wake Forest noticed his upside coming out of high school?
If he can go Joe Burrow all over the SEC in 2020, I'll believe the rags to riches tale!
Carson Wentz went to North Dakota State and was taken #2 overall in the draft. Some guys are late bloomers.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:29 pm to Lucius Clay
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If he can go Joe Burrow all over the SEC in 2020, I'll believe the rags to riches tale!
Uh... he doesn't really have to go Joe Burrow to be worth the take. He just has to be better than true freshman Carson Beck, or just recovering from brain surgery Dwan Mathis. Additionally, if he *does* win the job in 2020, it helps to bridge to an elite 2021 pickup as well. If Beck or Mathis were to take the job and run away with it, it might make the recruiting tougher.
Keeping a healthy QB room is just going to be tough as hell in the era of the portal.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 5:46 am to Lucius Clay
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So no program better than Wake Forest noticed his upside coming out of high school?
If he can go Joe Burrow all over the SEC in 2020, I'll believe the rags to riches tale!
Nobody is claiming he is Joe Burrow II. Look. Here is a breakdown of some kids taken in the first round of last years NFL draft:
#6 Danile Jones Duke
#7 Josh Allan Kentucky
#8 TJ Hockenson Iowa
#9 Ed Oliver Houston
#14 Chris Lindstrom Boston College
#18 Garrett Bradberry NC State
#21 Darrell Savage Maryland
#23 Tytus Howard Alabama State
And there are several more i could have put on this list, but you get the picture. Some very good players get overlooked, or just choose to go to a smaller, less notable school.
Newman also got offers from:
UNC
Va. Tech
Maryland
W. Virginia
Vanderbilt
Syracuse
NC State
I will say that anybody who thinks he will be some magical game changer will probably be disappointed, but he will be solid at worst.
Just because a kid goes to a smaller less heralded school doesn't necessarily mean anything. A good buddy of mine went to a small school in Tennessee and was drafted by the Cowboys.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 6:21 am to BeefDawg
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his top 2 receivers being hurt, his receivers dropping 30+ passes
Ummm sounds like excuses are being made for this when Fromm was the target of hatred
Posted on 1/10/20 at 7:35 am to Spaceman Spiff
quote:You left out some additional extenuating circumstances for Newman, so this isn’t a relative comparison. You realize that, right?
Ummm sounds like excuses are being made for this when Fromm was the target of hatred
Again, advanced stats aren’t subjective or opinion. They are simply facts. And Newman was the #1 rated QB in the country on tight window throws and only 2nd rated behind Joe Burrow in passes over 20 yards.
So yes, playing with a hurt shoulder without his 2 best receivers, having to throw to 3 stars, dealing with 30+ dropped catchable balls, behind a 3 star OL that couldn’t pass block, and yet you go 11-5 as a starter, finish with the 2nd best record in the ACC at 8-4, and take your team to its first bowl game in years... I’d consider those decent accomplishments, and the guy not in a relative predicament to Fromm. But that’s just me.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 7:39 am
Posted on 1/10/20 at 7:52 am to BeefDawg
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So yes, playing with a hurt shoulder without his 2 best receivers, having to throw to 3 stars, dealing with 30+ dropped catchable balls, behind a 3 star OL that couldn’t pass block, and yet you go 11-5 as a starter, finish with the 2nd best record in the ACC at 8-4, and take your team to its first bowl game in years... I’d consider those decent accomplishments, and the guy not in a relative predicament to Fromm. But that’s just me.
I'm very excited to see what he can do with the talent he will have around him. If he was solid with nothing but 2-3 star players, imagine what he could do with nothing but 4 and 5 stars supporting him? Not sure about Wake's RB situation, but he's going to have some guys here that can take pressure off the passing game, too.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 8:17 am to S1C EM
I watched their game vs Syracuse last night. I do believe we have a slight... just a slight... talent gap at O-Line and RB’s compared to WF lol. Those 3-4 yard runs between the gaps with Zeus and Milton will be big play opportunities. His ability to add that running dimension is even more intriguing.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 8:27 am to Lucius Clay
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So no program better than Wake Forest noticed his upside coming out of high school?
Brice Ramsey was UGA's heir apparent. UGA brought in Christian LeMay. Alabama got stud Star Jones to be their big next name at QB. Remember him? He failed to even win the job at GA State after leaving Bama. LSU was going to win it all with Russel Shepard.
Steve McNair played at Alcorn State. Baker Mayfield was a walk on at Texas Tech.
Vernon Adams played at Eastern Washington. Some trash school, right? Except he was setting passing records. He did what Newman did and went to Oregon for exposure and was a great QB for them until he got hurt.
Then there is this other guy. He goes to NC State. Has to be shitty, right? Phillip RIvers went there, sure, but other than Sean Glennon's mongoloid brother who goes to such a lowly school? Well, they have this crazy dual threat guy who goes and plays baseball until the NC State HC says "frick you, you cant play baseball and football". Then he goes, as a grad transfer, to Wisconsin in what was probably their best team with several freak losses. But Russel Wilson, he must suck cause he didn't go to a notable P5 team.
It's pretty ridiculous that I am supposed to be one of the most negative people here and I have to take a step back and say "man, either these people are miserable or dumber than a bag of hammers". Maybe both.
ETA: And I should add here, I don't think Jamie Newman is going to come here and win a heisman. I don't think he's going to win awards. I don't expect him to go in the 1st round. But how folks can bemoan our plight if we take the lowly Wake Forest QB blow me away when he is infinitely a better option.
Here's something to mull on. Maybe in time this wont be the case but our QB room, in it's current state, is weaker than what some perceive the low of being a "Wake Forest".
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 8:33 am
Posted on 1/10/20 at 8:28 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Ummm sounds like excuses are being made for this when Fromm was the target of hatred
You know, when the QB of Wake Forest has his 2 top targets down I do believe he may have a little less depth to rely on than the quarterback of the University of Georgia.
If the US military loses an aircraft carrier it's a big loss and diminishes their ability to project power, right? But luckily we have I want to say 11 carriers so we have 10 more at our disposal. If the UK loses an aircraft carrier then they lose 1 of their 3 or 4 carriers. Yea, the numbers are the same in losses but who does it affect more?
Posted on 1/10/20 at 8:29 am to Damn Good Dawg
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Well, they have this crazy dual threat guy who goes and plays baseball until the NC State HC says "frick you, you cant play baseball and football". Then he goes, as a grad transfer, to Wisconsin in what was probably their best team with several freak losses. But Russel Wilson, he must suck cause he didn't go to a P5 team.
I like your comparison but NC State and Wisconsin are both P5 teams
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