re: 2019 Recruiting Class (NSD - Today; 5* WR George Pickens flips to UGA from Auburn)

Plumlee is a terrific athlete. Mathis doesn't look capable. Some of Kirby's decisions are puzzling but he has more information than we have.

Jodo and Wiz pretending to be experts one post apart? Shitty alter alert

All you have to do is look at their stats maybe?

Also the fact that we didn't even offer Mathis til Fields left, yet we'd signed Plumlee for a long time?

The fact that Plumlee is a superior athlete dominating against better competition in the South?

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Stockton is for real

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Thanks for the vid link. I think he looks pretty good. Particularly if that is his freshman year (which is what it sounds like).

With that said, I see some pretty big flaws right now as well. Plenty of time to work and develop, but if I were rating some of the key variables right now on a -- to ++ scale, relative to his age:

Accuracy: -/+ probably neutral... lot of adjustment from his receivers required, especially noticeable on intermediate throws or longer.

Release: --, weird double hitch thing before he releases on almost anything longer than 10 yards. Maybe intentional, but doesn't seem to be a pump fake so much as just a crutch/flaw in his throwing motion. On the scramble, he does at least look to throw it, but the motion there is super awkward it seems.

Athleticism: +, Not super fast, but seems to have nice burst and stocky enough frame to hold up.

Arm Strength: +, while the motion may be delayed, he can clearly chuck it pretty good.

Decision Making: ++, Seems pretty keenly aware of what he wants to do, patient enough to let things play out as long as he is able to.

Vision: ++, Sees the field well from what we can see in the clip. Always the trick with highlights... no one picks out the plays where the fricked up.


Also... I realize these are highlights, but how good is his OL (and/or the defensive fronts he's playing against), because he rarely looks like he's in much trouble back there.

Glad we're getting in early though. Going to need to figure out wtf to do with 2020/2021 at a minimum though. If Fromm stays, that would be great, but leave us in real bind in 2021 if we end up locking in on Gunner for 2022. If he leaves, hopefully we'll know early enough to make our bid for a top candidate in the 2020 recruiting cycle (which would have decent separation from Gunner).

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I've seen projections as high as first round... those seem suspect, but it's not an insignificant risk, that's for sure.

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He's probably around a top 250 guy right now. He'll definitely be drafted in the top 10 rounds unless he just bombs during his senior season, and Id probably guess that he goes top 5 rounds. His athleticism will get him drafted high. He'll get 6 figures.

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if that is his freshman year

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It is.

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weird double hitch thing before he releases on almost anything longer than 10 yards. Maybe intentional, but doesn't seem to be a pump fake so much as just a crutch/flaw in his throwing motion. On the scramble, he does at least look to throw it, but the motion there is super awkward it seems

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His motion was the only real negative I could find in his tape as well. It is funky, but it wouldn't concern me for a couple of reasons:

1. He's a freshman and he has three offseasons full of tutoring and camps to try to smooth it out.

2. When talking about a college QB prospect, feel for the game (can he command an offense and read the field) and physical tools (can he make the throws, does he have decent size) are far more important than mechanics. He will need to fix it if he wants to be a real NFL prospect.

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HTDawg

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Urban Meyer and Ryan Day offered him, as well as Michigan. They obviously thought very highly of him. It's just funny that you guys completely dismiss Mathis as if he has no ability at all.

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Let the games begin

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Urban Meyer and Ryan Day offered him, as well as Michigan. They obviously thought very highly of him. It's just funny that you guys completely dismiss Mathis as if he has no ability at all.

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Exceptionally tall QBs are often given too much leeway.

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Exceptionally tall QBs are often given too much leeway

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Yep, and that 6'6 Lawrence guy is way overrated.

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Extremely rare players like Lawrence are why tall QBs are often given unwarranted leeway. Look at both QBs' HS highlights. Mathis is comparable to Lawrence in height only.

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Cardale Jones was ranked an 87 composite 3 star. Ohio State recruited him because of his size and athletism. He turned out to be a pretty good college QB. He also ended up drafted near the 5th round.

Dwayne Haskins was ranked 95 on composite and also turned out to be a pretty good QB that Urban and Company liked. Another noticeable thing - athletic QB with good height.

JT Barrett was ranked 93.5 overall by 247 and was not quite as tall at 6'2 but also recruited by OSU because of his dual threat ability. OSU didn't skip a beat and none of these guys were 5 star all world QBs.



Dwan Mathis is rated 90 ovr composite so higher than Cardale Jones and a little bit lower than Barrett and Haskins. What you see with OSU is they have a specific type of QB they favor. One that has good ability with legs but prefers to throw. If you look at Mathis tape you will see that he is a QB first. He has good movement in the pocket and the ability is there. It's up to our coaches to coach him up and make him a player but he absolutely has the tools needed to succeed which is why OSU wanted him. It sucks to lose Fields but I have no doubts Mathis can play high level D1 football as a QB.