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re: 2018 Depth Chart discussion/projections

Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:04 am to
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:04 am to
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I think I heard Rusty on a radio show saying Mays could have the best chance to play next year


That would be weird... most have him pegged for competing for the RT spot but probably behind IW (possibly the Juco Hayes? as well). I'd be really surprised if Mays came in and took a guard spot from not only Kendall Baker (probably the most suspect OG slot), but also managed to edge out Netori Johnson, Justin Shaffer, and Jamaree Salyer (not to mention Kindley). Mays feels like an almost assured RS... but will have to see how camp goes... ultimately we'll learn a lot more from there. So much of his reviews were around lack of discipline/drawing lots of fouls, that I can't see him starting as a tFR... I've been wrong before though... I think.
Posted by DoubleDawg22
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:14 am to
Kendall Baker is far and beyond our weakest link on the line. He will get passed up by someone this year unless player loyalty wins out, injury bug bites, or he develops a ton this year.

He has a long ways to go and those younger guys that red shirted will close the gap significantly. Then supposedly Salyer is the best guard in the country over the past decade.
Posted by TearsofKnowshon
Athens
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:20 am to
If Mays plays it's likely because he beat out IW at RT.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:21 am to
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Kendall Baker is far and beyond our weakest link on the line. He will get passed up by someone this year unless player loyalty wins out, injury bug bites, or he develops a ton this year.


Baker, Cleveland and Gaillard all scored below 40 on PFF for the game. They got destroyed. That's why we couldnt' run and had no time to throw. The two DT's they had abused us up front. Need to fix that if we want to win ships.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:29 am to
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If Mays plays it's likely because he beat out IW at RT.


Have to believe IW is on one of the tackle spots with Thomas.


The 2 guard spots and center should be winnable by Mays, Hill and Salyer. Those 3 are talented enough to win jobs....don't care if it's a senior/junior in front of them.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:32 am to
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Baker, Cleveland and Gaillard all scored below 40 on PFF for the game. They got destroyed. That's why we couldnt' run and had no time to throw. The two DT's they had abused us up front. Need to fix that if we want to win ships.


Sometimes you just have to own that a team is more talented than you... I think we did a poor job of adjusting in the second half to what they were doing on the interior DL... Payne is an elite player... elite players win matchups frequently... didn't need a PFF grade to tell me that.
Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:40 am to
Long time between now and Labor Day but I think the starting five will be:

LT Thomas
LG Salyer
C Gailliard
RG Cleveland
RT Wilson
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:42 am to
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Sometimes you just have to own that a team is more talented than you..


Then you replace them with a more talented player. You don't just keep the same guy who clearly can't block elite players. Payne boosted his draft stock vs us. He's played well this year but looked like a god vs us.
Posted by DoubleDawg22
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:50 am to
I’m not really so worried about Cleveland. He will grow and develop as he only played significant time for about our last 5 or 6 games. Baker and Gilliard have played all season and have been in the program for years.

At the same time Zone blocking is a scheme in which you are very dependent upon your teammates to be able to beat whoever they are playing against, if you lose it’s hard for me to do my job. Baker lost nearly every play.

Pass protection is a communication thing. The sack in OT showed that Gilly and Cleve were not prepared for the twist in that situation.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:36 am to
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Then you replace them with a more talented player. You don't just keep the same guy who clearly can't block elite players. Payne boosted his draft stock vs us. He's played well this year but looked like a god vs us.


Payne looked pretty unbelievable against Clemson as well...

As to the replacing part... sure... IF the "more talented" player actually IS better... recruiting stars aren't sufficient basis to judge whether someone will or won't win that kind kind of matchup. I trust Pittman to make the calls on who will be the best fit... as I said... camps will tell us a lot about where these guys are relative to where we need them to be.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:47 am to
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As to the replacing part... sure... IF the "more talented" player actually IS better... recruiting stars aren't sufficient basis to judge whether someone will or won't win that kind kind of matchup.


OL has the advantage as he knows the snapcount and has the initial leverage. If your getting manhandled its because you are inferior to your opponent - in this case - our guys up front were inferior to Bama. So much so, we came out and threw the first 6 passes because it's like we knew our guys couldn't stop Bama's front.

Can't go into games expecting to lose up front. If Salyer, Hill and Mays are better players then you play them. You don't ride the pine just because so and so started last year. We looked like dogshit up front vs Bama. That's not championship level play.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:51 am to
Is webb currently working at cornerback or safety?
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:52 am to
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Can't go into games expecting to lose up front. If Salyer, Hill and Mays are better players then you play them. You don't ride the pine just because so and so started last year. We looked like dogshit up front vs Bama. That's not championship level play.


... Not sure if you just like the sound of your own voice on the internet or what... no one is disagreeing with the premise that if you have a better player, they play... All I said was that their recruiting ranking has frick all to do with that.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:54 am to
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All I said was that their recruiting ranking has frick all to do with that.


Bama has had the number 1 class for years. The rankings matter as seen on the field.
Posted by AFDawg11
San Antonio, Texas
Member since Oct 2012
496 posts
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:58 am to
Anybody know what happen to William Poole? I thought he was our best CB prospect last year. Obviously he didn't play much if at all but has anyone heard how he looked. CB is the one position we know we needed to upgrade more than anything. Even now all people really talk about is Webb’s possible impact next season.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:03 pm to
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Bama has had the number 1 class for years. The rankings matter as seen on the field.


In aggregate... if you think they consistently determine who the best player is at an individual position, I think you are ill equipped to discuss this rationally. Normally, you're a decent poster, but right now you seem to be running on emotion...
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:06 pm to
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Anybody know what happen to William Poole? I thought he was our best CB prospect last year. Obviously he didn't play much if at all but has anyone heard how he looked. CB is the one position we know we needed to upgrade more than anything. Even now all people really talk about is Webb’s possible impact next season.


Haven't heard anything really since the season started. Not sure if he redshirted or saw time on ST? It does give a little pause on what to expect from Chris Smith in this year's class though, as they came from the same program. I hope they both do well... but we need players to step up at CB and force their way into the starting role next year.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:11 pm to
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f you think they consistently determine who the best player is at an individual position


I watched the game - hard to imagine not being able to find more adequate players with kids who are ranked significantly higher than Baker, Gaillard and even Ben Cleveland coming out of HS....by a large margin I might add. Sure, many players outplay their ranking (Wynn) (Baker) but in most cases they are pretty spot on. Salyer is the 2nd highest rated guard in the last 10 years. If he can't beat Baker then we got big problems.

The same could be said of Malcolm Parrish - he struggled all year. Why was he in the game? Was he really the best on the roster because if so we have done a very poor job at DB. He scored a 25 for the game and that's with Hurts who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn for 2 quarters.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
15649 posts
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:16 pm to
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I hope they both do well... but we need players to step up at CB and force their way into the starting role next year.


With the way Dre Baker has played out of Miami have to hope that program did well with Divaad Wilson. Not sure if Wildgoose is gone or not but he's also from there.
Posted by P-Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
1869 posts
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:21 pm to
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That would be dumb


I agree that it would be dumb for him to leave, but they're supposedly best friends and roommates, and both liked to party more than practice based on stories out of Athens earlier in the season (why Nauta's playing time was limited).

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