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Tony Dorsett - "I signed up for this when, I guess, I started playing football"

Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:03 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43964 posts
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:03 pm
Did he?
What are your thoughts?

Tony Dorsett on CTE

Dorsett's condition hasn't been any secret for a couple of years now; but for whatever reason, it's being spotlighted again.
It bothers me--beyond just being an incredibly sad deal for a guy whom I enjoyed watching play the game.
I have two amazing young boys in my life who are currently in the early stages of playing football; both love the game, and all signs point to their continuation in the sport.

So here's my question for y'all--many of you played fb, or may have sons, nephews, grandsons who play.
Does this CTE stuff concern you at all?
It seems like a "duh" question, but I'm not sure it is.
What does the future hold?
Improvements are always being made to equipment; but some slobber-knocking hits just can't be minimized.

I am anything but a litigious alarmist who jumps at random charges or misdoings.
But when you look at the numbers and lists of players who are currently struggling with head injuries in their post-playing lives (e.g., Shane Dronett, Junior Seau, countless others) ... it's troubling.
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:16 pm to
I played and took as well as delievered some shots and never was concussed. I played thru high school only though. The only sports related concussion I ever received was from being hit by a high heater in college. Concussions will always be a risk in a violent sport but being taught proper technique goes a long way toward minimizing the risk.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:17 pm to
I don't think anyone who chose to play contact sports is justified in playing the victim card when they suffer the potential consequences of that choice.

Yes it's very sad, but the players suing and saying they didn't know is horseshite. Not knowing what CTE is is different than being unaware that repeated blows to the head over the course of 30 years might be a bad thing.
Posted by greenbastard
Parts Unkown
Member since Feb 2014
2740 posts
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:37 pm to
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Yes it's very sad, but the players suing and saying they didn't know is horseshite.

Pretty much sums it up.

NFL players get paid good money for the high risks the job has. They knew what they signed up for when they signed their name on the dotted line.

As far as College and HS, it's a voluntary activity that is not needed as part of their curriculum. As long as the schools are doing their due diligence in keeping their equipment updated and coaching how to hit properly, they shouldn't be blamed and sued.
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
11646 posts
Posted on 2/9/15 at 11:01 pm to
I have mixed feelings about it. Football injuries are bothersome to me, but not unexpected. See Boxing. No rational person is surprised when a boxer develops brain damage. I don't know why football should be considered differently. I'd like to see better helmets, but other than that I don't know what can or should be done.

As for injuries to my kid, I was much more concerned about him playing at age 13 against kids that were 16 and bigger than his dad. That was illegal, but complaining about it was somehow racist. Thankfully, before he got himself killed he moved on to T&F.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 2/9/15 at 11:03 pm to
I've done my share of complaining about rule changes over the years that take many of the more overtly violent aspects of the game out of play, but stories like his always put into stark relief for me just how necessary the proliferation of safeguards is. No matter how much I love the game, that doesn't mean I love it to the point where I don't care about players who suffer in the aftermath of long careers.

That said, I think there's also something to be said for choosing to play a game with inherent risks. It's up to CFB/NFL to mitigate those risks, but just like anyone who gravitates toward a hazardous profession, there's something to be said for knowing what you're getting into from jump street.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 1:48 am to
Keep in mind some of those statistics are exaggerated. NFL players are less likely, NOT more, to commit suicide than the general public. There are some definite problems, but it isn't quite the crisis the media has been making it out to be.
Posted by SafetySam
Gettysburg, PA
Member since Oct 2013
7170 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 8:27 am to
I think part of the problem has been in trying to "play through" a concussion, when players and/or coaches have tried to hide the fact that a player has one. Another has been in coming back too soon after a concussion. Getting a second one on top of one that hasn't fully healed is apparently pretty bad voodoo. Hopefully both of these are becoming less and less common.
Posted by Pilgrim Shadow
Member since Nov 2012
86 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 10:21 am to
I'm not going to steer my son away from the game because I think the culture has changed enough from when these guys got their concussions. Yeah, it's still a violent sport with risk of serious injury. I just think the risks are more manageable now that we have a better understanding of what we are dealing with.

When I was playing, hits that would be targeting today were celebrated. You rang someone's bell, and you knew you would get high fives and prime time spot in the film room even if the hit was in practice. Now, it's, "Nice going dumbass. You just cost us 15 yards and got yourself thrown out of the game." That should cut down on the number of hits likely to cause concussions.

With all of the media attention it's received, you're also a lot less likely to have an ignorant coach put a kid back in the game before he's recovered. I met our qb on the sideline during a game once, and he had a dazed look in his eyes. I asked if he was alright. He said, "I can't remember anything." I made sure he got to the trainer, but he didn't miss a snap in that game or all season. Apparently, he still remembered how to hand off to the tailback, and that was what really mattered.

I don't think that was uncommon at the time, but any coach today should know that if he's caught doing that, then he could end the kid's career and lose his job.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28781 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 11:55 am to
quote:

But when you look at the numbers and lists of players who are currently struggling with head injuries in their post-playing lives (e.g., Shane Dronett, Junior Seau, countless others) ... it's troubling.



my struggle with any of those guys is that they didn't mind taking the millions along the way. football is the most violent sport (you could argue rugby because of no pads, but the collisions aren't nearly as brutal) and everybody knew that getting in.

they want their cake and to eat it too.
Posted by Balls_Deep
DFW
Member since Jan 2015
41 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 1:54 pm to
I would encourage my children to play other sports(golf, basketball, tennis). If Mike fricking Ditka feels that way too, well, it's good enough for me to feel confident guiding my kids away from playing football.

Enjoy the next 20 years of American football. It's the glory years. I'm not saying it won't exist in 50 years, but I don't think it will exist in its current form.

My prediction is that many colleges(over half) will stop playing. It will hurt the other sports most. There will just be the 60 or so powerful schools(including A&M) playing on the highest stage(for money and well paid players). Most colleges will stop playing because most high schools will stop offering football. The talent pool will dry up. Everywhere outside of the southeast and texas is taking this more seriously.

As far as NFL. In the words of Mark Cuban, "pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered. The NFL is a hog." The whole Thursday night thing and wanting to dominate everything is really off putting. More lawsuits will come. We're already starting to see things in the NFL change. If Joe Montana and Jerry Rice played in 2015, they'd have 80 TD's a year with the way the rules are tilted. It's all about the offense and QB and fantasy football. Every year it moves closer to touch football.

As far as sports in general. I look for basketball and soccer to rise in popularity. Baseball has such an old audience. It's always going to be relevant since its Americas pastime, but the popularity has been shrinking for decades. In the 1920's the biggest sports were Baseball, Boxing, horse racing, college football. Things change over time and popularity rises and falls
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 2:02 pm
Posted by dead money
kyle, tx
Member since Feb 2014
1391 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:52 pm to
Baseball is going to explode as well at some point. In five years salaries are going to be so fricking high it's going to effect everybody......even the Yankees and Red Sox.

Soccer, imo, will never take off. It's just so brutally boring to sit through. A 3-2 game is considered a shootout. It has traction in some circles of America but it'll never crack the big 5 (football, baseball, basketball, hockey, boxing)

I would let my kids play football if that was their choice. Football has a lot to offer besides knocking the crap out of each other. The game is safer, but playing a sport with its risks is no different than what can happen in everyday life anyway, so that aspect for me is overblown.

Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
144961 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:12 pm to
Soccer may grow in popularity, but it will never be on the same level as the other big 4 are in this country. I dont have anything against soccer but it is what it is
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 3:12 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
144961 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:14 pm to
It seems like this is the first time the league has actually looked at head injuries and is interested in the effect the game has on the brain. I would like to look at everything 20 years from now and see if the league is able to at least reduce the number of problems people are having
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43964 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:34 pm to
The number of names on this list (bottom of the page) is staggering.
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I can't imagine that anyone--no matter how much money he earns--ever walks into the situation (i.e., taking countless hits), fully understanding the risk.
At least not to this point.
I think it's changing, though.

Rugby players haven't seen this problem.
They hit differently.
And they don't wear helmets, so obviously they can't use 'em as weapons/battering rams.
Then again, few rugby guys have played for the duration and level at which football players have.
But it makes you wonder if football eventually moves more towards that style of sport?

Football is, unequivocally, my favorite sport to watch.
I'm not arguing against it in any way--risk is inherent in most of life's most enjoyable activities.
But when I think about my boys knowingly walking into countless head hits, with the game being so different now than it was decades ago ... it's tough to reconcile.
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 3:42 pm
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 6:13 pm to
quote:

Rugby players haven't seen this problem.
They hit differently.
And they don't wear helmets, so obviously they can't use 'em as weapons/battering rams.
Then again, few rugby guys have played for the duration and level at which football players have.
But it makes you wonder if football eventually moves more towards that style of sport?


IMO, that's the only way to truly drastically reduce the amount of head trauma we see in football. Honestly, there's few sports in which the head is basically expected to be used as a battering ram on every play like in football.

It's make me very sad, though--I'll admit it thrills me on a deep level whenever I see my favorite team come trotting out through the tunnel in their headgear.

The compromise would probably be to remove the facemasks, tbh.
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 6:23 pm to
Go back to leather helmets.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 6:30 pm to
That's really the only way to cut down on it. Would drastically change the way the game is played from a risk-taking standpoint.
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 2/10/15 at 7:08 pm to
Yep and any parent who has a child that wants to play football needs to go watch practice and make sure the kids are being taught proper technique when it comes to tackling.
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