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re: Mr. Bjork---8-5 Dook. You know what to do.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 3:29 pm to Farmer1906
Posted on 6/2/19 at 3:29 pm to Farmer1906
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What style is that?
The Stumblin-Bumblin trip over a rock and fall dick first into the maggot-covered arse of a dead goat and frick that carcass 10 straight hours without release, then head home, blue-balled and crawl into bed with dead goat carcass shite all over your pecker and ask the woman for a blow job...style.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 9:31 pm to Farmer1906
I think it's time we evaluate our program. We've had, I believe, 3 coaches over the last 60 years. And all three are very similar in results. Good teams without much to show for it.
So are we a program with a ceiling right here and have had 3 top 15-20 coaches in a row? Or are we a program with a very high floor that have had 3 decent coaches in a row that the floor hides their mediocrity. I don't know that it's a question that can be answered definitely. But I do lean more to the latter.
RC has been very consistent. He obviously does some things well. I'm not saying he's a bad coach and I suspect you may be right that he would get a job tomorrow. But the question remains - ceiling or floor?
So are we a program with a ceiling right here and have had 3 top 15-20 coaches in a row? Or are we a program with a very high floor that have had 3 decent coaches in a row that the floor hides their mediocrity. I don't know that it's a question that can be answered definitely. But I do lean more to the latter.
RC has been very consistent. He obviously does some things well. I'm not saying he's a bad coach and I suspect you may be right that he would get a job tomorrow. But the question remains - ceiling or floor?
Posted on 6/2/19 at 10:31 pm to tmc94
I’m going with the latter when you consider the talent in Texas.
Of the three major men’s sports I’m most shocked by baseballs lack of national success as a program, but when you throw in 3 coaches over 60 years it starts to make sense.
Of the three major men’s sports I’m most shocked by baseballs lack of national success as a program, but when you throw in 3 coaches over 60 years it starts to make sense.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 10:43 pm to tmc94
We start by establishing expectations and standards.
If the standard is "better than t.u." we have accomplished that 6 of the last 8 seasons.
If the standard is "championship contender" we have accomplished that twice under C_iLd_Ess: 2011 and 2016 (2017 was a fluke brought on by an epic choke by North Carolina)
If the standard is "better than t.u." we have accomplished that 6 of the last 8 seasons.
If the standard is "championship contender" we have accomplished that twice under C_iLd_Ess: 2011 and 2016 (2017 was a fluke brought on by an epic choke by North Carolina)
Posted on 6/3/19 at 9:07 am to tmc94
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So are we a program with a ceiling right here and have had 3 top 15-20 coaches in a row? Or are we a program with a very high floor that have had 3 decent coaches in a row that the floor hides their mediocrity. I don't know that it's a question that can be answered definitely. But I do lean more to the latter.
We are whatever our coach leads us to. Fresno State, Coastal Carolina, Rice, & Cal St Fullerton have all won titles in the last 20 years. None had the resources we do now.
Mike Batesole @ Fresno is still the HC there. He's only made 4 regionals since then and never a super. This is the case of getting hot at the right time. There is no reason Rob or any random joe at A& couldn't do this eventually.
Gary Gilmore @ Coastal had a very similar resume to Rob before he won his title. Regionals most years and an occasional super. In his 13 previous appearances, they had never made it to Omaha. I said it before, you keep showing up good thing s will happen. RC keeps us in position for this.
Wayne Graham @ Rice was Rice baseball. He build them up from nothing and made them a contender for years and years. However, with his exit Rice looks like they're nobody again. The program is only as good as the HC. Rob is not Wayne and never will be. Is there a guy like Wayne out there for us?
George Horton @ CSF was a rockstar. In his 11 years they made regionals every year, CWS in 6 of the 11, and of course won a title. Now he's at UO where he's barely making regionals half the time and only a super once. This is a strange situation. Why did it work at a smaller program, but fail in a bigger league like the Pac?
4 teams with titles. 4 very different situations.
The few points I wanted to make in this rambling is that 1) baseball is kind of random. 2) The coach makes the program, not the other way around. 3) even the perfect coach and a "sure thing" (Horton) might not work out.
I am still on the fence. It sucks being a top 15-20 team and not winning at a higher level, but how much more would it suck if we started missing regionals and not bring competitive.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 9:22 am to Farmer1906
He is entering the final year of his contract.
Do we give him a stupid extension? Fire him? Neither and leave it in doubt as to whether recruits should play for him?
We're entering "no man's land" right now.
Do we give him a stupid extension? Fire him? Neither and leave it in doubt as to whether recruits should play for him?
We're entering "no man's land" right now.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 9:46 am to CGSC Lobotomy
The general rule is you don’t let a coach go into his final year for recruiting purposes. I wouldn’t give him anything long, but it makes sense to make a move if you feel like you have a home run hire ready. Just don’t pull an Lsu, fire your coach, & then end up hiring O.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 10:23 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Do we give him a stupid extension? Fire him?
You know where I stand.
Get DEed by DOOK, a basketball school from the ACC in shut-out/near shut-out fashion both times?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 10:26 am to Farmer1906
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The general rule is you don’t let a coach go into his final year for recruiting purposes. I wouldn’t give him anything long, but it makes sense to make a move if you feel like you have a home run hire ready. Just don’t pull an Lsu, fire your coach, & then end up hiring O.
I agree with this.
RC is servicable enough to wait another year if we can't pull down a GOAT-type hire.
He is a dead man walking, regardless. He would need to get deep in the CWS in 2020 to save his job. It's time to move in a different direction, otherwise.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 11:07 am to Farmer1906
quote:Chandler and MJ won at almost the exact same clip as Rob.
The few points I wanted to make in this rambling is that 1) baseball is kind of random.
We're heading into year 61 of if we keep doing it we'll get lucky in the postseason. In the first 60 years of this, we have 5 CWS appearances (and 1 CWS win) to show for it.
quote:They can at shite programs.
2) The coach makes the program, not the other way around.
Is Pierce going to be a bad hire? Maybe. But in 3 years he's already had a CWS appearance. As has already been pointed out State has reached the Supers 4 years in a row now with 4 different coaches. These are schools with high floors.
quote:Wholeheartedly agree with this. We may make a bad hire. I'm not scared of that though I recognize it's possible. We may have to suffer.
3) even the perfect coach and a "sure thing" (Horton) might not work out.
I may be wrong in that RC is hard to replace. But after sleeping on this, I'm pretty sure I'd pull the trigger. I don't really think the downside is that bad because I've woken up on the high floor side of the bed.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 11:37 am to tmc94
We are in the best Baseball conference in the NCAA, and it's not even close.
We have a state-of-the-art baseball facility.
We are in a hot bed of recruiting.
BUT
We still have 1 CWS win in program history.
When all the ingredients and equipment have been replaced and re-tested, with a brand new kitchen, and we still can't get a good recipe, it MUST be time to find another chef.
We have a state-of-the-art baseball facility.
We are in a hot bed of recruiting.
BUT
We still have 1 CWS win in program history.
When all the ingredients and equipment have been replaced and re-tested, with a brand new kitchen, and we still can't get a good recipe, it MUST be time to find another chef.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 12:11 pm to tmc94
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Chandler and MJ won at almost the exact same clip as Rob.
Let's examine this statement
Chandler (26 seasons)
7 playoff appearances
5 conference titles
1 CWS appearance
1 losing season
Johnson (21 seasons)
14 playoff appearances
5 conference titles
2 CWS appearances
1 losing season
Childress (14 seasons)
13 playoff appearances
2 conference regular season titles
4 conference tournament titles
2 CWS appearances
1 losing season
Childress has performed better than his two predecessors at the same level that Kevin Sumlin performed better than HIS two predecessors if you think about it...
Posted on 6/3/19 at 12:54 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Slow down. The format changed and made it much easier to make the postseason. Look at the winning%. They’re all fairly similar.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:16 pm to Farmer1906
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George Horton @ CSF was a rockstar.
He benefitted more from coaching at an established legit program like Fullerton than the other way around.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:37 pm to cramps
I could see that for a few years, but he won his title in his 7th year and made the CWS as late as his 10th. Vanderhook has a few postseason runs, but overall not where near what they were before.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:56 pm to Farmer1906
If we're making a list of targets, who do yall want on it?
Big Names
Dan Mcdonnell
Jim Schlossnagle
Medium Names
Butch Thompson
Cliff Godwin
Scott Stricklin
Up and Comers
Kirk Saarloos
Patrick Hallmark
Dan Heefner
Big Names
Dan Mcdonnell
Jim Schlossnagle
Medium Names
Butch Thompson
Cliff Godwin
Scott Stricklin
Up and Comers
Kirk Saarloos
Patrick Hallmark
Dan Heefner
Posted on 6/3/19 at 2:48 pm to Farmer1906
Pat Casey. Surely he’s bored of retirement by now.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:56 pm to Farmer1906
quote:isn't he an AD? Are you thinking of O'Sullivan?
Scott Stricklin
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:57 pm to Farmer1906
I don't think it's necessary to have a list as fans. And honestly if I were making the call I'd do what any AD would do - I'd have my Assoc AD (and/or a consulting firm) put together a dosser on about 30 potential hires and then study them in detail.
But for arguments sake, Chandler, MJ, and RC had a combined 0 years of head coach experience before coming to A&M. This is actually one reason the floor argument is comfortable to me. So I don't think we need a Jimbo/Buzz hire but obviously it's harder and as fans we get scared that we may frick up the hire.
Anyway, let's look at current successful coaches from state schools (privates play by a different set of rules and so I'm excluding). These are the kinds of coaches we want to hire, not a list of targets as I don't think we could pull any of them. I picked guys that have had at least a few years so clearly not flash in pan but not guys who have been somewhere forever so you can't tell the schools level without then (shout out to Mike Martin).
Tadlock (Tech) - been to 3 CWS in 6 years (and looks headed to a 4th). No prior D1 HC experience. Came to Tech as an assistant and was promoted but had a very successful JUCO stint previously (going to 5 JUCO CWS in 9 seasons)
Mainieri (LSU) - probably the kind of hire Farmer is thinking. Mainieri was at ND for 12 seasons and went to a regional his last 8 years there (including 1 CWS). Tough to do at ND (since Mainieri left they've made the postseason once). He has 5 CWS appearances with LSU in 11 years. CWS Champion
O'Sullivan (UF) - 7 CWS in 11 years, including a title. frick me. Was an assistant (Clemson) previously.
Mike Fox (UNC) - no prior HC experence
Monty Lee (Clemson) too early whether this is a good hire. But 4 years replacing a very good coach and 3 of those they've hosted a regional. Previously Charleston HC.
Van Horn (Arky) - another that fits Farmer's profile. 5 CWS at Arky after 2 at Nebraska.
These are comparable programs IMO. Certainly they've had more success than us but that's part of the point. Outside of LSU, I don't think any of those programs have inherent advantages on us (and I'd argue the opposite for a few). And most hired an assistant.
I'd prefer to hire a Mainieri or Van Horn. But if one isn't available, that doesn't preclude a good hire at all.
But for arguments sake, Chandler, MJ, and RC had a combined 0 years of head coach experience before coming to A&M. This is actually one reason the floor argument is comfortable to me. So I don't think we need a Jimbo/Buzz hire but obviously it's harder and as fans we get scared that we may frick up the hire.
Anyway, let's look at current successful coaches from state schools (privates play by a different set of rules and so I'm excluding). These are the kinds of coaches we want to hire, not a list of targets as I don't think we could pull any of them. I picked guys that have had at least a few years so clearly not flash in pan but not guys who have been somewhere forever so you can't tell the schools level without then (shout out to Mike Martin).
Tadlock (Tech) - been to 3 CWS in 6 years (and looks headed to a 4th). No prior D1 HC experience. Came to Tech as an assistant and was promoted but had a very successful JUCO stint previously (going to 5 JUCO CWS in 9 seasons)
Mainieri (LSU) - probably the kind of hire Farmer is thinking. Mainieri was at ND for 12 seasons and went to a regional his last 8 years there (including 1 CWS). Tough to do at ND (since Mainieri left they've made the postseason once). He has 5 CWS appearances with LSU in 11 years. CWS Champion
O'Sullivan (UF) - 7 CWS in 11 years, including a title. frick me. Was an assistant (Clemson) previously.
Mike Fox (UNC) - no prior HC experence
Monty Lee (Clemson) too early whether this is a good hire. But 4 years replacing a very good coach and 3 of those they've hosted a regional. Previously Charleston HC.
Van Horn (Arky) - another that fits Farmer's profile. 5 CWS at Arky after 2 at Nebraska.
These are comparable programs IMO. Certainly they've had more success than us but that's part of the point. Outside of LSU, I don't think any of those programs have inherent advantages on us (and I'd argue the opposite for a few). And most hired an assistant.
I'd prefer to hire a Mainieri or Van Horn. But if one isn't available, that doesn't preclude a good hire at all.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:05 pm to 85AustinAg
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isn't he an AD? Are you thinking of O'Sullivan?
The Florida AD and UGA head coach share the same name.
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