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re: Let's all take a moment to point and laugh at what is going down on the 40 Acres
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:08 pm to Dawgsontop34
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:08 pm to Dawgsontop34
quote:he kinda looks like it. At least at the head coach level at a major program
but unless Strong is just incompetent
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:14 pm to Dawgsontop34
strong kicked off half the team and went full youth movement because it gave him an excuse to not win.
He's never had a problem recruiting trouble cases or taking criminal transfers before, but on arrival he went scorched earth on a bunch of non contributors and pot smokers. Most of the guys with talent for extra chances.
I think he's a decent coach, I just think he's a fraud and in over his head.
He's never had a problem recruiting trouble cases or taking criminal transfers before, but on arrival he went scorched earth on a bunch of non contributors and pot smokers. Most of the guys with talent for extra chances.
I think he's a decent coach, I just think he's a fraud and in over his head.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:15 pm to Nguyening
He either needs to go back to being a DC at a major program, or stick at the Louisville level in regards to being a head coach
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:15 pm to WestCoastAg
I think that's definitely fair to an extent. Mack did win 8 games in his last year I believe, but IIRC they easily could have lost to Iowa State and West Virginia, and the 5 games they lost were by 20 points or more. That's embarrassing. But Charlie's been pretty embarrassing himself in the last couple games. He had a month to prepare for Arkansas, and then 8 months to prepare for ND and they just got wiped the F out in both of those games. He definitely has not gotten the talent out of his players that he should.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:17 pm to WestCoastAg
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He either needs to go back to being a DC at a major program, or stick at the Louisville level in regards to being a head coach
This probably sounds bad for Texas fans, but if I had to compare Charlie to someone right now I'd choose Derek Mason...
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:17 pm to NanosTacoRun
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Would you call Sumlin a great offensive coach?
A year ago I would have, though I'm no longer sure he's "great." Still, I don't think he's ever had the offensive equivalent of TCU, Arky, + Notre Dame. Strong's defense was pulverized in all 3 of those games, and in the 1st 2, he had a lot of NFL talent.
State, Ole Miss, Bama was a pretty bad offensive showing, though the situation with Kenny Hill and the internal turmoil he was causing on the team was highly unusual.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:23 pm to Ash'sProstheticHand
Your judgment seems consistent, so I can't argue with that.
I think coaches with lengthy resumes of great production can have missteps and still be considered great (or whatever)
Maybe it's the definition of "great"
I think coaches with lengthy resumes of great production can have missteps and still be considered great (or whatever)
Maybe it's the definition of "great"
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:38 pm to BadAgg7
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maybe he's trying to frick everything up so bad that they have to join the pac-12
To this day he is best buddies with Larry Scott. He stole the Mexico idea from Scott.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:47 pm to cardboardboxer
ESPN's Bottom 10 is out.
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5. Texas (0-1)
The first coveted No. 5 spot of 2015 is painted burnt orange. But hey, chin up, Bevo! At least you're not the highest of the lowest ranked Big 12 teams!
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:49 pm to NanosTacoRun
Yea we'll see. He's got a bare cupboard at DT, but some of that is on him. He's barely recruited the position since he arrived, and Mack did a crummy job recruiting DT during his last couple years. Strong really, really should have grabbed a JUCO guy or two, but didn't. Now he's an injury away from having a turnstile for an interior DL.
He probably is a good defensive coordinator, but I think he's in over his head. I also think he can't run the recruiting program well enough to ensure that the defense is loaded with the guys he needs to implement his defense.
He probably is a good defensive coordinator, but I think he's in over his head. I also think he can't run the recruiting program well enough to ensure that the defense is loaded with the guys he needs to implement his defense.
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Posted on 9/10/15 at 12:12 am to Ash'sProstheticHand
He took 2 juco OL and 1 juco DL, and they didn't play a single snap on Saturday
Posted on 9/10/15 at 7:15 am to cardboardboxer
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To this day he is best buddies with Larry Scott. He stole the Mexico idea from Scott.
AH-HA!
This post was edited on 9/10/15 at 7:21 am
Posted on 9/10/15 at 7:26 am to finestfirst79
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colorado
The good news? You got to go to Hawaii. The bad news? The game didn't kick off until 1 a.m. ET. The good news? That meant almost no one saw you lose
And those clueless fricks in Austin wondered why we didn't want to join the PAC 12
Posted on 9/10/15 at 9:09 am to Ash'sProstheticHand
He walked into a sip program that was already demoralized and on a downward trajectory. You have to be a great motivator and leader to right the ship when it's already plunging toward the bottom. Charlie was the Fed to the 1929 market crash. The ship is sinking, and his prescription is that there isn't enough weight on the port side.
Wow, I just combined 3 metaphors into one.
He just isn't cut out for a major program. Its the same song as Billy Gillespie was for our basketball program: guy is GREAT at taking a program that is at a historical bottom and instilling discipline and leading them to success. But take over a major program that is teetering over the edge? His heavy handed approach just accelerates the push.
Charlie is never going to be any better than this, and the sips will start to realize it. Maybe with 7 years or so to change the culture, but he doesn't have 7 years, he had maybe 3. Now he might have 2. When they fire him after this year, (because they will, no matter the buyout) they are going to get a cheap DC or OC somewhere just to hang on in the interim while they find a coach they actually want and plod through the enormous expense they are incurring for the 2 past coaches on the payroll.
Patterson may go down, he may not. I don't think it matters for our purposes.
There is an unwritten rule that when you enter the wilderness, you have to suffer 10 years, or 2 bad coaches, whichever comes last. Charlie is the first. The next won't last more than a few years either, while he takes time to rebuild what is being destroyed now. The third coach they hire after Mack will be the one who actually starts winning again.
Wow, I just combined 3 metaphors into one.
He just isn't cut out for a major program. Its the same song as Billy Gillespie was for our basketball program: guy is GREAT at taking a program that is at a historical bottom and instilling discipline and leading them to success. But take over a major program that is teetering over the edge? His heavy handed approach just accelerates the push.
Charlie is never going to be any better than this, and the sips will start to realize it. Maybe with 7 years or so to change the culture, but he doesn't have 7 years, he had maybe 3. Now he might have 2. When they fire him after this year, (because they will, no matter the buyout) they are going to get a cheap DC or OC somewhere just to hang on in the interim while they find a coach they actually want and plod through the enormous expense they are incurring for the 2 past coaches on the payroll.
Patterson may go down, he may not. I don't think it matters for our purposes.
There is an unwritten rule that when you enter the wilderness, you have to suffer 10 years, or 2 bad coaches, whichever comes last. Charlie is the first. The next won't last more than a few years either, while he takes time to rebuild what is being destroyed now. The third coach they hire after Mack will be the one who actually starts winning again.
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Posted on 9/10/15 at 9:41 am to cokebottleag
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The third coach they hire after Mack will be the one who actually starts winning again.
But even that may not help.
They've not had to deal with SEC recruiting that much in the past (outside of LSU in Houston/the sliver and occasionally Arkansas in DFW) and absolutely not with an in-state SEC member. Now they do.
A&M going to the SEC (and flipping t.u. off in the process) is a paradigm shift that may take well more than 10 years of adjustment. Which they can't address by begging for SEC membership hoping to rein in Daddy A&M.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 10:09 am to Quidam65
I'm not saying they will win an NC in 10 years. But they aren't going to have a 10 win season until they hit their 3rd coach. By then, Baylor and TCU will be on the downslope, and Stoops will be gone. They could very well have a decent come back for a while. This is 2 coaches into the future, mind you, so anything could realistically happen. They just aren't going to enjoy the dominance they had in the 2000s anytime soon, or ever. We could suck in 10 years again, it happens. Even in the SEC.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 10:11 am to Quidam65
Texas to the SEC is the only checkmate move they have. And they will(hopefully) never play that card.
PAC 16 is most likely
No way do they put up with this current mess in BDF after all the TV deals expire.
PAC 16 is most likely
No way do they put up with this current mess in BDF after all the TV deals expire.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 10:19 am to Raoul_Duke
The SEC doesn't want Texas. They bring little to the table. The LHN demonstrated to the world that their brand isn't nearly as powerful as everyone though it was so they wouldn't boost the in-state cost enough to even cover their share of the total profits
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Posted on 9/10/15 at 10:26 am to Ash'sProstheticHand
I think OU is much more likely than Texas but I doubt any of that happens for a while
Posted on 9/10/15 at 10:27 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
contract with lhn and the bdf contract both run through 2025 i think.
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