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Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Literally nobody outside of A&M knew or cared.
About us. At ALL. That was the problem.
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The issue here is national perception.
In the same time period the national perception of Texas A&M was "that team with the cool Mike Leach coach." We were basically invisible nationally, and that was a real problem. Much much bigger than any problems that can be fixed just by firing one guy.
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Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:54 pm to Old Sarge
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Have you seen the assistants salary list for Bama?
What was Kirby Smart doing before Saban? Mark Dantonio? Jim McElwain? Jimbo Fisher? Will Muschamp?
I'll wait
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:56 pm to cardboardboxer
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In the same time period the national perception of Texas A&M was "that team with the cool Mike Leach coach." We were basically invisible nationally, and that was a real problem. Much much bigger than any problems that can be fixed just by firing one guy.
And before Baylor gave us a life vest we spent 18 months as the relevant example of how NOT to run a football program.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:58 pm to Roger Klarvin
The SECRant = real life national perception of Texas A&M?
No I KNOW you're off your meds
No I KNOW you're off your meds
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:58 pm to Roger Klarvin
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We were irrelevant, now we're a national punchline. People are holding our program up as a means of showing "Well,it could be worse".
Give me the former
No way, just no way. You need to go back and look again at how shitty those Fran classes were. I did it to work out the whole "best average talent" graph and it was shockingly bad.
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We had the Texas athletic machine dead to rights and decided we didnt like it.
Nah, that is another Aggie fantasy. We could never and can never kill Texas's program. Just look at all the national writers who assumed Charlie would be fired after last year. When the whole nation holds up those kind of expectations for your program the door is always open once you get the right coach. I think Michigan right now is a perfect example.
But a national title or two and we could turn OU into Nebraska, which would have the same net benefit for us.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:00 pm to Old Sarge
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The SECRant = real life national perception of Texas A&M?
Don't be obtuse, you know what I meant
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:06 pm to Roger Klarvin
You said it
99% of college football fans have forgotten about Kyler and Kyle already despite all of the ESPN run.
99% of college football fans have forgotten about Kyler and Kyle already despite all of the ESPN run.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:07 pm to Old Sarge
You're definitely getting a rectal exam if you ever come to me
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
Since you're a dr. now you can afford to take me to dinner first
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
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We were irrelevant, now we're a national punchline. People are holding our program up as a means of showing "Well,it could be worse".
Give me the former
Things aren't as bad as you think they are. We're 9 wins away from being fine, unless people outside the team just insist on driving the bus off the mountain.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:17 pm to NanosTacoRun
Knowing our luck Trevor Knight will get caught dealing cocaine or Myles Garrett will be ruled ineligible for improper benefits.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:21 pm to NanosTacoRun
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Things aren't as bad as you think they are. We're 9 wins away from being fine
Are we though? Say Sumlin & Strong both win 9 games... Id have to give the recruiting edge to strong at that point. He's already recruiting at or near sumlins level winning 5 & 6 games
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:27 pm to swaggyp
Both teams would be in good shape if that happens. UT would probably be a bit ahead, but that's out of our control and not necessarily what we should be focused on.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:33 pm to swaggyp
Texas isn't winning 9 games. I don't think we are either, but Notre Dame, @Cal, @OSU, OU, @KSU, @Tech and TCU is at least 4 losses. And that's assuming Baylor falls off the face on the earth.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:35 pm to Old Sarge
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Since you're a dr. now you can afford to take me to dinner first
Posted on 6/22/16 at 3:39 pm to cardboardboxer
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You need to go back and look again at how shitty those Fran classes were. I did it to work out the whole "best average talent" graph and it was shockingly bad.
They were bad. The only thing that made them SEEM even decent from ranking perspective is that we'd add in the occasional 5 star due to our location. Look at the attrition on top of those bad classes and it was horrible. Every school faces attrition, but ours was above average and made the bad classes worse in terms of who even ever actually contributed. This is going to be a controversial statement, but I am not one to avoid controversial statements, so here goes: we kinda over-performed during the Fran era relative to the talent we had that actually ended up contributing. That's not white-knighting for Fran, he was part of the reason we had such bad classes, but really look at the talent level of who contributed and going 4–8, 7–5, 5–6, 9–4, 7–5 in a Big 12 South that was at times comparable to or a year or two maybe even better than the SEC seems like an accomplishment.
I say all that to say that our talent level right now is head a shoulders above what it was back then. Last year's class, while disappointing by current standards, would have been an awesome haul during the Fran years. If and it's a HUGE if, we can win 10 games this year, we will be able to land a class that's good even by current standards and we will be okay even with last year's meh class.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 3:50 pm to swaggyp
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Say Sumlin & Strong both win 9 games
Texas is not going to win 9 games.
Everyone has forgotten what a total bumbling incompetent Oompa Loompa Charlie actually is because their boosters bought him a trove of players and the hype from the good recruiting class has shaken some of the cloud of stink off of him, momentarily, but the world will be reminded that he sucks once the football season starts and he's 4-1 after getting shellacked by ND at home, sleepwalking through a win over UTEP while there's a circus of doubt around the Midget again, then losing to Cal because they go on a road trip amid a ton of self doubt, losing to Boone Pickens University @ Boone Pickens Stadium because they're due and it's a road game for UTw, and then getting blown out by an OU team looking for revenge that Stoops has back on the tracks.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 3:55 pm to Cooter Davenport
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This is going to be a controversial statement, but I am not one to avoid controversial statements, so here goes: we kinda over-performed during the Fran era relative to the talent we had that actually ended up contributing.
No we didn't. Fran milked that 2003 class until the bitter end.
Let's look at the MULTIPLE-SEASON starters from that class.
Justin Warren (2003-2006)
Jason Jack (2004-2006)
Mike Montgomery (2003-2004)
Corey Clark (2005-2007)
Melvin Bullitt (2003-2006)
Cody Wallace (2004-2007)
Earvin Taylor (2004-2007)
Chris Yoder (2004-2007)
Kirk Elder (2005-2007)
Red Bryant (2004-2007)
Joey Thomas (2004-2007)
Chris Harrington (2004-2007)
Now look at the 2004 Class
Stephen McGee (2005-2007)
DeQawn Mobley (2004-2005)
Danny Gorrer (2005-2008)
Kerry Franks (2004-2007)
Lee Foliaki (2005-2007)
Grant Dickey (2006-2007)
Cyril Obiozor (2005-2008)
Yemi Babalola (2005-2007)
Travis Schneider (2006-2008)
Posted on 6/22/16 at 4:20 pm to NanosTacoRun
So not to interrupt the good pissing match between sarge and klarvin but I did want to get my two cents in on a couple of issues after getting caught up on the thread.
I think the only gray area of wins is 8 and I think that's still more than likely he will be retained if that is the number. 9 wins would be seen as an improvement and progress, while 7 would be underperforming again and we'd definitely fire him. And I think 7 or 8 wins warrants firing him, you don't pay a top 10 salary to limp to 7 or 8 win season. I'm not saying you won't have any, but I haven't seen much improvement since the 2013 season (i.e. none, we've gotten worse).
Perception is something we should be concerned about and it definitely is playing a factor in recruiting 2017 kids. It's never a good look to have 2 5 star QBs transfer out within a week of each other. Plus the constant rumors of Sumlin going to the NFL, we need to manage these situations better.
Lastly I think Sumlin has made good hires but he is slow to do so, and that doesn't bode well for the future assuming he stays at A&M for awhile and we loose position coaches or coordinators to other teams. I kind of want him to get fired so Klarvin can air out all his dirty laundry here or we see that he's just been full of sh** this whole time.
Anyways carry on gents.
I think the only gray area of wins is 8 and I think that's still more than likely he will be retained if that is the number. 9 wins would be seen as an improvement and progress, while 7 would be underperforming again and we'd definitely fire him. And I think 7 or 8 wins warrants firing him, you don't pay a top 10 salary to limp to 7 or 8 win season. I'm not saying you won't have any, but I haven't seen much improvement since the 2013 season (i.e. none, we've gotten worse).
Perception is something we should be concerned about and it definitely is playing a factor in recruiting 2017 kids. It's never a good look to have 2 5 star QBs transfer out within a week of each other. Plus the constant rumors of Sumlin going to the NFL, we need to manage these situations better.
Lastly I think Sumlin has made good hires but he is slow to do so, and that doesn't bode well for the future assuming he stays at A&M for awhile and we loose position coaches or coordinators to other teams. I kind of want him to get fired so Klarvin can air out all his dirty laundry here or we see that he's just been full of sh** this whole time.
Anyways carry on gents.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 4:45 pm to Texas Gentleman
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I'm not saying you won't have any, but I haven't seen much improvement since the 2013 season (i.e. none, we've gotten worse).
That's as simple as, we had Johnny and now we don't.
Beyond that, our defense is much improved. And the changes to the offensive staff should produce somewhat similar improvement.
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