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re: The fight for #1 ranked recruiting class
Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:24 pm to LSU Patrick
Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:24 pm to LSU Patrick
No it doesn't.
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Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:26 pm to Opelousas Sostan
I think I'll believe Saban over Northalabamacracker's 3rd alter in 3 months.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:28 pm to Lsupimp
Not melting. Just don't agree that there's some sort of huge conspiracy theory. I do think the recruiting services value the evaluations of Bama's staff, and understandably so.
Every single recruiting class Nick Saban has signed as the head coach of an SEC school has gone on to win at least one national championship.
There have only been 2 recruiting classes that finished #1 that didn't play for at least one national championship, and both were USC classes of the late 2000s.
Every single recruiting class Nick Saban has signed as the head coach of an SEC school has gone on to win at least one national championship.
There have only been 2 recruiting classes that finished #1 that didn't play for at least one national championship, and both were USC classes of the late 2000s.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:30 pm to Lsupimp
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Anybody can buy. Some just buy more than others.
Ah so Bama fans out buy every other fanbase so much that all these recruiting services go through and bump/drop player rankings specifically to induce more sales to the Alabama fanbase. No other fanbase. Just UAs. That's a good business model. The really clever part is when they drop Alabama commits down to throw people off their trail.
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Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:32 pm to Tuscaloosa
I don't really care if it's a conspiracy or not. It's relatively harmless. It's something I have grown accustomed to over the past several years of following recruiting. If LSU ever manages to get a class that actually rates higher than Bama's, I'll know for sure it's the best ever. 
Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:35 pm to LSU Patrick
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I don't really care
Yes you do.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:39 pm to LSU Patrick
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It is what it is, but denying the Bama bump is ridiculous at this point. Regardless of the reason(s), it clearly exists.
The only thing that can never be denied is the LSU fanbase here's victim mentality regarding anything to do with Alabama.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:40 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Not melting. Just don't agree that there's some sort of huge conspiracy theory. I do think the recruiting services value the evaluations of Bama's staff, and understandably so
Not a conspiracy theory, just your second sentence plus the fact that they will generally rate uncommitted players higher than committed ones to keep interest high. LSU's class is almost full so they took a big hit from the readjustments.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:44 pm to Team Vote
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the fact that they will generally rate uncommitted players higher than committed ones to keep interest high.
There are only 15 players in the Top 50 who are uncommitted. 7 of the top 10 are committed. The vast majority have been committed for a while. The #6 ranked player in the entire country is committed to Houston.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:47 pm to Tuscaloosa
Ole Miss gets to 299 if they get Simmons, Anderson, Carter, Brown, Kongbo, and Mathis
Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:49 pm to LSU Patrick
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Bama bump is ridiculous at this point. Regardless of the reason(s), it clearly exists.
Maybe it exists because kids go to Bama, perform well, and get drafted to the league - both in general, and in the first round - at a higher rate than any other school in recent years.
Seems like those doing the rankings might assume that if Bama is offering a kid he must be really good and, perhaps, worth a deeper look.
What Bama class would you say didn't produce? Any kid who has signed with Bama since 2008 has won a national title and been part of a class with multiple future first round picks.
At some point you've got to give credit where due.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:04 pm to bamasgot13
LINK
This exists and we all know it. Not just with Bama, but maybe more dramatically with Bama.
This exists too. We all know it. Drama drives the business, and some fan bases thrive on the drama. All these things are well known in the recruiting world. Regional bias, school bias, alumni readership, subscriptions, etc. Like anything else, it is going to evaluate the market and make an appeal to that market.
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Even Nick Saban thinks there could be a "Bama bump" in recruiting rankings."Sometimes I don't know what comes first in recruiting rankings, the cart or the horse," Saban told reporters in December. "When a guy gets recruited by what I'm going to call high profile programs, he gets ranked higher. That's where I question the validity of how accurate some of those things may be."
This exists and we all know it. Not just with Bama, but maybe more dramatically with Bama.
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Tom Luginbill, the national recruiting director for ESPN, believes in the "Bama bump." But he thinks it's predicated more on recruiting networks trying to appease subscribers than a nod to Nick Saban's track record.
"Keep in mind that a lot of these recruiting websites and resources are reliant upon revenue of a fan signing up for a team site," Luginbill says. "When that's the case and you have to drive up (subscription) sales, what do you think those sites are going to do? They are going to start pumping and priming players that are committed to their school or considering their school and place them above other players because they are trying to drive subscription sales. "Anyone who says that isn't true is full of baloney."
This exists too. We all know it. Drama drives the business, and some fan bases thrive on the drama. All these things are well known in the recruiting world. Regional bias, school bias, alumni readership, subscriptions, etc. Like anything else, it is going to evaluate the market and make an appeal to that market.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:13 pm to Lsupimp
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Lsupimp
Again, where have the rankings been wrong with Bama's classes tho? You act like the only reason they are ranked high is b/c of subscribers. That's simply not true. MOST of the guys Bama signs are highly ranked way before they ever commit to Bama.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:14 pm to Patton
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It is what it is, but denying the Bama bump is ridiculous at this point. Regardless of the reason(s), it clearly exists.
Comparing Alabama's recruiting staff's evaluations of players to those of the recruiting sites is kind of silly anyhow. It is not Alabama who has benefited from being ranked #1 on those sites, it is the sites that have benefited by being proven right by Alabama's success. It is no wonder they want the Tide to be ranked #1.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:20 pm to fibonaccisquared
Carter is a Dawg.
If Demetris visits on Saturday (or, hell, makes it past Wednesday without committing anywhere) then he's going to be a Dawg
Taylor I'm not entirely sure. I think part of the allure there was coming with Mack but I think it's highly doubtful Mack goes anywhere other than Bama.
Brown is a total toss up. I think we have as realistic a shot as Auburn, Tennessee, or Moo State at this point.
Burns and Williams are equal in the sense that the beat guys all believe they're locks to FSU but I've heard it's not as signed, sealed, delivered as is being indicated; helps when Leonard Floyd and Jordan Jenkins are hitting you up on their way to the NFL to tell you to get your arse to Athens.
Hudson I don't think we get but some have said there's serious smoke there. Guess we'll see.
Simmons I think we have a very realistic chance of flipping.
If Demetris visits on Saturday (or, hell, makes it past Wednesday without committing anywhere) then he's going to be a Dawg
Taylor I'm not entirely sure. I think part of the allure there was coming with Mack but I think it's highly doubtful Mack goes anywhere other than Bama.
Brown is a total toss up. I think we have as realistic a shot as Auburn, Tennessee, or Moo State at this point.
Burns and Williams are equal in the sense that the beat guys all believe they're locks to FSU but I've heard it's not as signed, sealed, delivered as is being indicated; helps when Leonard Floyd and Jordan Jenkins are hitting you up on their way to the NFL to tell you to get your arse to Athens.
Hudson I don't think we get but some have said there's serious smoke there. Guess we'll see.
Simmons I think we have a very realistic chance of flipping.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:26 pm to Tuscaloosa
Saban is the the E.F. Hutton of recruiting.
When Saban talks, everyone listens.
When Saban talks, everyone listens.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:26 pm to Lsupimp
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"Keep in mind that a lot of these recruiting websites and resources are reliant upon revenue of a fan signing up for a team site," Luginbill says. "When that's the case and you have to drive up (subscription) sales, what do you think those sites are going to do? They are going to start pumping and priming players that are committed to their school or considering their school and place them above other players because they are trying to drive subscription sales. "Anyone who says that isn't true is full of baloney."
This shite would make sense if BamaOnline LSU247, AuburnUndercover etc. made up the rankings. But they don't. I don't need to be sold anything to go on and check the top 247, 250, 300 players in the country and how they stack up amongst their peers.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:33 pm to tylerdurden24
Fair enough. So 5-6 outta 9 with some upside possibility. I can get excited for that.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:38 pm to Patton
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This shite would make sense if BamaOnline LSU247, AuburnUndercover etc. made up the rankings. But they don't. I don't need to be sold anything to go on and check the top 247, 250, 300 players in the country and how they stack up amongst their peers.
Who do you think is coming up with these ratings. While yes, it's true that it's not just one program influencing the ratings, one guy bumping a rating often creates a domino effect. If you follow recruiting at all, you have to know there are guys that are 2-3 stars all the way through high school that Sr. year seem to be bumped up to high 3 and 4 stars if/when top programs get involved/interested. The recruiting guys are definitely going to defer to coaches in the talent evaluation department, so while it may not be a full star bump, ratings are definitely impacted by how different staffs evaluate a player.
More publicity/interviews inevitably leads to additional attention/further evaluation. Not saying it's any one program that sees this happen, simply that it *does* happen.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:39 pm to Patton
The elevating of uncommitted recruits is undeniable though. Last year ESPN told Terry Beckner they'd keep him at or near the top of the rankings if he waited until NSD to announce.
He said he decided on Mizzou in the summer.
He said he decided on Mizzou in the summer.
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