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re: Does the "Bama Bump" truly exist?
Posted on 6/18/13 at 11:06 am to Chizzin ain't Easy
Posted on 6/18/13 at 11:06 am to Chizzin ain't Easy
Agreed Chizz
And the eval period has changed dramatically from Saban's 1st few years when a guy like Donta Hightower was only extended an offer after Saban watched him practicing at his HS, until his sr year his only other offer was Vandy
He saw Cody at CC watching another prospect there and immediately offered
Now in the last 3 or 4 years these camps are a fairly new occurrence and get guys relatively unknown to face competition
Some of these kids have coaches who do them a huge disservice by not getting their name out there and get them to camps. That is why I respect these sites and their reporters because they have a hard job to do, and once a guy commits to a school who is relatively unknown they have to dig up the info
My alma mater Gardendale HS had a 6'2 225 LB rb who led the state in rushing last year Jordan Howard, had a 3.9 GPA, and the only FREE camp he attended in Mountain Brook (for underclass men competition for 7on's) and ran a 4.49 forty, yet he didnt get any attention while a QB got to go to camps and a big announcement etc
AU needed a RB, his best offer was GT as a FB for the option
He ended up at UAB and will probably be ridiculous in the C-USA but he almost ended up going to a JuCo JUST so that he could get attention he deserved, that's sad
And the eval period has changed dramatically from Saban's 1st few years when a guy like Donta Hightower was only extended an offer after Saban watched him practicing at his HS, until his sr year his only other offer was Vandy
He saw Cody at CC watching another prospect there and immediately offered
Now in the last 3 or 4 years these camps are a fairly new occurrence and get guys relatively unknown to face competition
Some of these kids have coaches who do them a huge disservice by not getting their name out there and get them to camps. That is why I respect these sites and their reporters because they have a hard job to do, and once a guy commits to a school who is relatively unknown they have to dig up the info
My alma mater Gardendale HS had a 6'2 225 LB rb who led the state in rushing last year Jordan Howard, had a 3.9 GPA, and the only FREE camp he attended in Mountain Brook (for underclass men competition for 7on's) and ran a 4.49 forty, yet he didnt get any attention while a QB got to go to camps and a big announcement etc
AU needed a RB, his best offer was GT as a FB for the option
He ended up at UAB and will probably be ridiculous in the C-USA but he almost ended up going to a JuCo JUST so that he could get attention he deserved, that's sad
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Posted on 6/18/13 at 1:30 pm to AMM AU9893
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Like I said before, the "Bama bump" exists, but for logical reasons. Saban doesn't offer scrubs, and Bama pumps out good player more often than not. Sometimes the sites overblow it though.
About right. It exists. It probably shouldn't because bama will always have more highly rated players fail when they sign so many to begin with then oversign on top of it.
Someone did the research and posted it a few months ago and bama has a higher percentage of 4 and 5 star failures than almost any other SEC schools. Mostly because so many never see the field, are cut, forced out, transfer, etc.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 4:37 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
Yes. Saban is a helluva talent evaluator, coach, developer. But it does exist. Example- Bradley Sylvie. Committed to Bama early. Track speed, injury prone, questionable hands. Anyone in La could've told you he didn't compare to Jarvis Landry at WR. Espn loves em some Bama. Now, he's a converted DB who couldn't catch.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 5:53 pm to higgins
Take this shite to the Bama board!
Posted on 6/18/13 at 7:08 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
yes, it does exist, recruiting services want to look good, so they assume that any recruit that saban wants must be good, so they bump him.
There are exceptions of course, but it is generally true.
There are exceptions of course, but it is generally true.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 7:30 pm to higgins
A good example is Matt Elam who just moved to #10 overall in the top247. That is a fricking joke.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 7:33 pm to gatordmb89
He didn't commit to Bama. He showed out at camp, which was the reason for the bump.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 7:35 pm to brick
quote:Exactly what I was trying to say. Sure, there are some players that definitely deserve the bump if they were mainly unknown, but there are also some players that did not deserve the bump.
yes, it does exist, recruiting services want to look good, so they assume that any recruit that saban wants must be good, so they bump him. There are exceptions of course, but it is generally true.
I cannot stress enough that I did not mean this as some negative slant towards Alabama and Nick Saban. I did not mean that the recruiting sites bumped player's ratings up to make Alabama's classes and recruits look good.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 7:59 pm to crimsonian
No.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 8:02 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
quote:Yup, makes sense to me.
When I think of a "Bama Bump", I like to think of the recruiting sites taking this chance to make themselves look good
I don't know why this thread made antibarner so upset.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 8:09 pm to TTsTowel
I am not upset I think its sad to see how far you have fallen in just a couple of years.
Instead of extolling your program's virtues you must try to attack another,because frankly nowadays yours sucks.
Hell you sound worse than those leghumpers from Georgia I thought THEY could whine.
Instead of extolling your program's virtues you must try to attack another,because frankly nowadays yours sucks.
Hell you sound worse than those leghumpers from Georgia I thought THEY could whine.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 8:12 pm to antibarner
quote:First off, I need to know if you're mentally handicapped to some degree...
you must try to attack another,because frankly nowadays yours sucks.
If you answered no to the first part of my post, did you even read the OP? Why can't you grasp your mind around this thread not being negative? The guy is giving credit to Alabama and Nick Saban for finding players that are flying under the radar. What the hell is so bad about that? I agree with what he's saying, and apparently others do too.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 8:17 pm to TTsTowel
He is insinuating something shady,that recruiting analysts bump Alabama recruits ratings higher to make Bama's classes look good.
Obviously these analysts know something because those players have kicked everyone else's players in the arse.
Take it back to ITAT.
Obviously these analysts know something because those players have kicked everyone else's players in the arse.
Take it back to ITAT.
This post was edited on 6/18/13 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 6/18/13 at 8:21 pm to antibarner
quote:Uhh, what? Really?
He is insinuating something shady,that recruiting analysts bump Alabama recruits ratings higher to make Bama's classes look good.
Here are his quotes for crying out loud:
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I do not think 247Sports and Rivals bump Alabama commitments up for the sake of another top recruiting class.
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This is not an anti-Bama conspiracy. I was giving credit to Nick Saban for finding diamonds in the rough, while also saying the kids are boosted because 247 and Rivals trust his evaluation based on past success.
quote:Son of a bitch, son, you can't be as stupid as you're presenting yourself. You just can't be.
I cannot stress enough that I did not mean this as some negative slant towards Alabama and Nick Saban. I did not mean that the recruiting sites bumped player's ratings up to make Alabama's classes and recruits look good.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 8:25 pm to TTsTowel
You make me look like Albert Einstein,and the proof of that lies in the fact you are an Auburn fan.
THAT says it all.
Insinuation...the point of the entire post thread to begin with,coupled with his earlier post.
You Barn dwellers are a Machiavellian lot.
THAT says it all.
Insinuation...the point of the entire post thread to begin with,coupled with his earlier post.
You Barn dwellers are a Machiavellian lot.
This post was edited on 6/18/13 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 6/18/13 at 8:28 pm to antibarner
quote:You're borderline retarded, dude.
You make me look like Albert Einstein,and the proof of that lies in the fact you are an Auburn fan.
THAT says it all.
Reading comprehension may be an area of interest for you.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 8:38 pm to Chizzin ain't Easy
Ketch controlling the Lone Star Rankings has been a detriment for A&M for a long time. The have charted pre commitment and post commitment for Aggies and teasips rankings on rivals and it is absurd. I doubt Alabama's is as blatant as that, but Ketch is laughably bad at it. I even had a teasip fried comment on it when some WR commit, who I think ended up at Ole Miss, decommitted, and was rumored for tu, and Ketch started slobbering all over him. He posted on OB, "this kid played for a 5A State Final Team, and you are late to the game on him how exactly?" and Ketch never responded. It is really sad they let someone like that control rankings and stars. His bias is unreal.
Posted on 6/18/13 at 8:38 pm to antibarner
Ohio State kicked everyone's arse last year. Obvioysly they out recruited yall because they were undefeated. By your logic.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 9:43 am to antibarner
quote:No one is going to confuse you with Einstein with the 3rd grade level of comprehension of the English language you've displayed in this thread.
You make me look like Albert Einstein,and the proof of that lies in the fact you are an Auburn fan.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:07 pm to crimsonian
I thought the number of offers a recruit holds is supposed to factor into the recruiting ranking. If so, then as the number 1 team, a Bama offer must give a recruit at least SOME clout.
As a corollary, it also means that big time programs make their recruits more prized simply by offering - not that the recruits were the end-all-be-all at their position. And that's why they can occasionally find themselves getting smoked on the playing field by lesser touted recruits on Saturdays.
As a corollary, it also means that big time programs make their recruits more prized simply by offering - not that the recruits were the end-all-be-all at their position. And that's why they can occasionally find themselves getting smoked on the playing field by lesser touted recruits on Saturdays.
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