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wdhalgren
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
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your staff doesn't know how to use a Jumbo WR/TE


UGA hasn't really had a WR/TE hybrid type athlete in recent years, probably dating back to Orson Charles. They've been TE first and foremost.


Having said that, here's the percentage of total team receptions and total team receiving yards attributed to TE's last season, per cfbstats.com.

UGA
43/241 - 17.84%
594/3165 = 18.77%

Bama
48/301 - 15.95%
744/4854 = 15.33%

Tenn
23/221 - 10.4%
225/2357 = 9.55%


I don't know how much influence any of those head coaches had on the play calling selection and offensive alignment. I suspect that to a significant extent every OC defers to the head coach's wishes for how the offense is to operate. But TE usage as a receiver, and passing stats in general, also depend on the QB's experience and the other weapons available, in every offense.


As for Gilbert, I think UGA wants our TE's to be primarily TE's; we'll see if that changes under Coley. If Gilbert thinks his future is predominantly at WR, he probably won't be at UGA.
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djsdawg
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
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UGA's coaching staff rely on the recruiting sites' rankings or their own evaluations?


Asking a stupid question is one way to ignore the point.


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Vols&Shaft83
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
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Dawgs247's Kipp Adams flipped his CB pick for Gilbert from UGA to Foggy.





It moved


Porter Osborne Jr
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Is that real? This is the first I've heard on Washington.


That's the rumor going round right now. "Insiders" feel like he's heavily leaning to the good guys after the BBQ.


Porter Osborne Jr
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
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Dawgs247's Kipp Adams flipped his CB pick for Gilbert from UGA to Foggy.




It moved


It's going to be limp like Butch Jones since it looks like he's leaning to Bama


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fibonaccisquared
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
Couple of plugged in posters have said he's a silent since the BBQ... I'm cautiously optimistic for now.


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armtackledawg
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
Right, Jim Chaney should have used Nauta more
This post was edited on 8/23 at 12:28 pm


chillmonster
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
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That's the rumor going round right now. "Insiders" feel like he's heavily leaning to the good guys after the BBQ.



If Gilbert wants to play out wide then he could still help UGA. If he has an aversion to blocking then I can see him getting frustrated early with a more limited role - especially if UGA has an equally talented option who can stay on the field more of the time. Maybe he should head to UT.

I'd love to get both, but of the two Washington seems the better fit. Washington is as fast. Plus Theo is faster, more athletic, and primarily plays out wide. I'm wondering how much of a value add Gilbert would be with the current receiving corps and the prospective signees this year.


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DawgsLife
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Maybe if he was utilized a lot more he would have been drafted higher, just a thought...




I'm not getting in the middle of this, because i suspect it will go another 27 pages....however, Nauta should have stayed in school. He left too early. he definitely would have benefited from a fourth year.

That said, Georgia did not throw the ball to the TE's a whole lot. I'm not sure if that was a coaching decision or Fromm just didn't use them to their best abilities. Fromm, for whatever reason, seems more comfortable throwing to the outside and not over the middle, so it may have been a Fromm thing. I'm not really sure.


djsdawg
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
If nauta was faster, he probably would have. If he was faster, we probably win the 2018 sec title.


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2009 - Stocker #3
2010 - Stocker #3
2011 - Rivera #2
2012 - Rivera #3
2013 - Henry #2
2014 - Henry #2, Derby #3
2015 - Holtz #3
2016 - Nauta #3
2017 - Nauta #6
2018 - Nauta #3


So Nauta was utilized right in line with what Chaney typically did?


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DawgsLife
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
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Is that real? This is the first I've heard on Washington.




No. We are in it for Washington, but nobody is "secured".


chillmonster
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
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I'm not getting in the middle of this, because i suspect it will go another 27 pages....however, Nauta should have stayed in school. He left too early. he definitely would have benefited from a fourth year.



With the current roster it's hard to see a scenario where he wouldn't have gotten more targets this year, but plenty of UGA kids without the best stats get drafted - including Nauta. He went low because he didn't test well.

I recall an interview with Kirby about throwing to the TE. He essentially said you put the ball in the hands of the players who will make the most happen. I suspect that has more to do with Nauta's lack of production than anything else.


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Porter Osborne Jr
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
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No. We are in it for Washington, but nobody is "secured".



Define "secured".


DawgsLife
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
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Define "secured".


Well, I was using the word another poster used, so you would be better off asking them. However, in my opinion secure means signed, sealed and delivered. I mean, if you can lose something it isn't secure, is it?


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Kimsey
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
Clive Walford (low 3 star te) was the 2nd leading receiver in 2013 and leading receiver for 2014 with Miami. Coley obviously knows how to utilize the TE better than Chaney who treats them like he would an Impossible Whopper.

Coley and Hartley also coached David Njoku who went on to become a 1st rounder in 2017. Who knows where Gilbert is leaning towards, but UGA will be in it all the way through with him until the ink dries.


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dhuck20
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
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2019 NFL draft: #224 pick, 7th round, Lions, $2.6M, $100K guaranteed, $100K signing bonus

So you honestly believe that because Bama can utilize Smiths talents, and UGA “couldn’t use” Nautas, and that’s why they were drafted where they were?

And, we can assume based on your post, that if the roles were reversed and Smith went to UGA and Nauta to Bama, that their draft position would then swap as well?

Wow, this is next level stuff.


TidalSurge1
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
I merely posted facts about those two players in response to a post that said UGA didn't have an elite TE. Nothing more.



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Dawgsontop34
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
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UGA TE Isaac Nauta
2016 HS class: 5-star (.9904), #1 TE, #14 player
2019 NFL draft: #224 pick, 7th round, Lions, $2.6M, $100K guaranteed, $100K signing bonus

Bama TE Irv Smith Jr.
2016 HS class: 3* (.8671) #22 TE, #528 player
2019 NFL draft: #50 pick, 2nd round, Vikings, $5.8M, $3M guaranteed, $2.2M signing bonus


What a sample size...

FWIW, Nauta was probably underutilized, but he also did not look to be a 5* talent at all while he was in Athens.
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TidalSurge1
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re: 5* TE Arik Gilbert
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What a sample size...

FWIW, Nauta was probably underutilized, but he also did not look to be a 5* talent at all while he was in Athens.

And Irv Smith didn't look to be a low 3* talent at all while he was at Bama. Nor did he appear to be underutilized.

You're free to post as big of a sample size of UGA TEs as you want.
This post was edited on 8/26 at 10:52 pm


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